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Existence of the state is incompatible with Communism
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this post was submitted on 22 Jul 2023
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I'm quite aware of this interpretation and have read plenty on the topic. It is nearly undeniable that in practice, revolutionary communist movements have legitimately produced dictatorships quite often. People need to stop making excuses for Stalin and Mao. The world deserves a better class of communist, in the same way it deserves a better class of liberal.
Like, have you read Lenin yourself?
"Civil war gives the proletariat practice at arms!"
Are you fucking kidding me? You cannot possibly be more glib about violence, or more boorishly modernist .
Forget it, you said you are a democratic socialist right? Don’t fight loosing arguments about history with people. Shut them up with this one argument.
“I will defend every seemingly communist country and their actions, only after you defend every capitalist nation and all of their actions. Simple enough right?”
I'm not interested in defending any atrocities anywhere. Or making tyrants into folk heroes.
My goal is simply to find a single leftist space on the internet which doesn't just pretend like a century's worth of real academic criticism of democratic centralism and associated revolutionary praxis doesn't really exist, and anyone who expresses such criticism must simply be poorly informed and hasn't read enough... Lenin. It's misplaced and undeserved elitism at its finest. Or just a weird revolution fetish, it's hard to tell sometimes. If you can feel my eyes rolling through the screen, it's because, as I said previously, I'm tired of having this same conversation over and over again.
If they say some shit like “Well I’m not arguing for another trail of tears, I just think the economic system of capitalism is better”
Just respond with “Good, so your alignment with a type of economic system or model still leaves plenty of room for variations on policy🤔”