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[-] expr@programming.dev 87 points 5 months ago

I just found out about this debate and it's patently absurd. The ISO 80000-2 standard defines ℕ as including 0 and it's foundational in basically all of mathematics and computer science. Excluding 0 is a fringe position and shouldn't be taken seriously.

[-] RandomWalker@lemmy.world 39 points 5 months ago

I could be completely wrong, but I doubt any of my (US) professors would reference an ISO definition, and may not even know it exists. Mathematicians in my experience are far less concerned about the terminology or symbols used to describe something as long as they’re clearly defined. In fact, they’ll probably make up their own symbology just because it’s slightly more convenient for their proof.

[-] gens@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago

From what i understand, you can pay iso to standardise anything. So it's only useful for interoperability.

[-] expr@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago

Yeah, interoperability. Like every software implementation of natural numbers that include 0.

[-] WldFyre@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

How programmers utilize something doesn't mean it's the mathematical standard, idk why ISO would be a reference for this at all

[-] thewowwedeserve@feddit.de 1 points 5 months ago

Because ISO is the International Organisation for Standardization

[-] WldFyre@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

Yes, but it's not for mathematicians. It's for the applied fields.

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