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[-] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 25 points 6 months ago

Classic Denuvo.

What is the point of Denuvo? Seeing it takes a day or two, games with Denuvo getting cracked.

[-] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 23 points 6 months ago

It gives a warm fuzzy feeling to executives and investors!

[-] deranger@sh.itjust.works 20 points 6 months ago

A day or two? I thought Denuvo was still very tricky to crack and only a couple insane people were able to do it.

[-] mynachmadarch@kbin.social 28 points 6 months ago

It's not necessarily that it's tricky to crack (it's certainly not easy, don't get me wrong), but that there's no point for a couple reasons that combine:

  1. To crack a game you have to redo it any time there's a major release of the game, such as DLC/expansion/major bug fix. The reasons for this are numerous and outside scope. But it takes time.
  2. Most crackers can only do so many games, so they often wait until most or all major additions are out.
  3. Denuvo is expensive and operates on a yearly license
  4. Most game studios only license Denuvo for those first few update cycles when they get the most sales and then remove it themselves because of the cost

That means many don't even bother trying to crack Denuvo because they just can wait it out. It's a resource balancing game on both sides.

[-] moody@lemmings.world 13 points 6 months ago

Yes, and the word going around is that the biggest cracker of Denuvo has been out of the game for a while. So Denuvo games aren't being cracked at all.

There are many forms of DRM, but as much as Denuvo sucks, it's probably the most effective nowadays.

[-] Z3k3@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

I think the logic is

That day or 2 is where the biggest sales numbers come from because people are too impatent to wait that long to throw money at a broken buggy microtransaction shit show.

And tbh it doesn't look like they are particularly wrong

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 months ago

Denuvo is a lot more effective than that.

But also? That kind of makes a huge difference. Story time (so obviously anecdotal and grain of salt and...)!

Way back when there was this series called Mass Effect. All us PC gamers were pissed off that Bioware were traitors who had abandoned us and never wanted to play that xbox shit. Until there was a port of the game to PC and we all needed it in our veins.

Mass Effect PC was one of the first (?) games with activation model securom as a DRM model. And the Scene Group who cracked it first did a piss poor job and the game would crash once you finished the tutorial and got to the starmap. But, because it was the era of multiple Scene Groups vying for power, nobody wanted to be "second" to crack a game.

So the various message boards were full of people complaining and eventually a good many of us pirates just drove down to Best Buy and bought the game because we needed it NOW!!!!

I want to say it was properly cracked within a week? But that was still, likely, very significant sales. Largely for the same reason that publishers/devs pay for day one influencer streams and the like. That is the peak of marketing and when you get all the impulse buys who didn't pre-order.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago

There were some pretty strong rumours the starmap crash was intentionally built into the game, specifically to create this effect. If that's true, it's genius, but it seems rather unlikely.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 11 points 6 months ago

That is pretty normal. Operation Flashpoint cranked up bot accuracy to full aimbot levels if it detected the DRM check was bypassed. Serious Sam 3 added an unkillable scorpion enemy. One of the Ghostbusters made ghosts unkillable. And so forth

That said: My understanding is more that the way the DRM check was bypassed meant the secondary check (whenever a starmap was loaded) errored out because the function was missing.

[-] bork@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago

Divinity 2: Ego Draconis had terrible DRM check bypass effects, but they ended up plaguing the game for legitimate players moreso than pirates. Larian ended up releasing a DRM removed version of the game months after release because of how bad it was.

[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

There have been a few famous (or infamous) cases of game devs adding crack checks into their games. Basically, the devs recognize that cracking is inevitable. So instead of trying to make harder and harder DRM methods, they simply started including checks to see if the player was using a cracked copy. If they did, they could change the game in some way. This can actually be fairly effective for the reasons you mentioned: A cracker gets the game to boot, and maybe plays the first five minutes or so. Then they send it out the door without actually verifying anything further. Because they’re rushing to be the first, so they won’t bother doing a full playthrough to ensure everything works. So when the player gets ahold of it, they’re the ones who experience all the issues.

Spyro 2: Ripto’s Rage, for instance, made the game increasingly frustrating to play. It would start removing treasure you had already collected, so you had to recollect it. And in a game where your progress is tracked via collections, that means it’s a huge time-sink. And if you somehow managed to get all the way to the final boss, the game would crash and delete your save so you had to completely start over.

Game Dev Tycoon is another example. The devs themselves actually posted a “cracked” version of their game on day 1. So all the various sites grabbed it and started seeding their torrents. It’s a game where you spend time and money developing games. And the cracked version also includes a piracy feature, where as you gain popularity you also see your profits getting eaten by piracy. And the game will slowly ratchet up the amount that you lose to piracy, until it’s eventually impossible to make a profit. Notably, there was no in-game way to combat the piracy or stop it from eating into your profits.

That latter example was used to great effect, because it sent all of the pirates to the steam message boards, to complain about piracy in their games and ask if there was a way to develop DRM to combat it. In essence, they were tricked into ratting on themselves. Because if you were playing a legit copy, you wouldn’t have any issues with piracy.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

My favorite one is the Alan Wake eyepatch. Hackers quickly fixed it, but I think it made the game better!

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

I recall way back when, Black and White (2?) had childred who never grew up if you used the cracked version, it was hilarious.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Not any more. No Denuvo game has been cracked since June last year (Etrian Odyssey HD).

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