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What is it with their obsession with trying to use shipping containers as houses.
Why do none of them realize that something that was designed to the bare minimum standard of not destroying products would be a good thing to live in.
There like, actual materials designed to be used to build homes, maybe fucking try using some of them instead of trying to recreate what was supposed to be a crazy dystopian example of housing.
This is like the dumbasses that keep reinventing a train.
Take a shipping container, but you have to ventilate it and have heating and cooling.
Oh and you're going to have to have some kind of plumbing sos you'll need some internal walls and some penetrations
Wow I just had a great idea you could actually put some wheels on it and you could easily move it to any available lot.
Annddd it's an rv or a mobile home.
Under capitalism, laborers are a product.
the most wretched of commodities
Also they act like a Faraday cage so you can't use wireless devices in them without connecting to a router inside
Hey that's a 5g protection for free!
I used to love the idea of living in a container house for the price and the ecological impact of it, but after some research I found out that to make them livable they had to be modified so much that are just as "bad" as a normal house.
Additionally, you can't repurpose a used shipping container since it's nearly impossible to determine if and/or what hazardous materials have been shipped in one over the course of it's life. So all of these concepts rely on net new containers, which completely nullifies the whole point.
There are a lot of shipping containers that have been used only once, due to US/China exports imbalance. These are available at a good price, or at least were when I looked at this like seven years ago.
(Still plenty of other problems though.)
It's like those idiots who try to turn a pre-fab storage shed into a house but worse.
the capitalist's final dream is to (re)commodify labor.
You have to insulate it too, there’s no getting around that. So the inside becomes smaller or you build a shell around the outside. More practical to just build a regular wooden house.
Everything is "pre engineered" that's just called design.
And they're not engineered for habitation they're engineered to transport goods that aren't sensitive to temperature, humidity, or oxygen levels (unless you're talking refrigerated ones but I don't know a lot of people who want their house to be 38 degrees)
Wooden shipping pallets are also portable and pre engineered that doesn't mean you should build a house out of them.
We should totally build houses out of pallets and force the rich to live in them though
They love stocks, so they should LOVE the stockades!
Damnit I was spoiling cabbage to throw at the rich but now it just turned into delicious kimchee
Counterpoint: Groverhaus
That was architect'd not engineered.
I hate architects as much as the next guy but I'm still pretty sure no architect'd'ing has gone into groverhaus
My comment was meant to further the conversation. Yours was meant to stop the conversation.
I can build a shipping container house that will fit on a price of leased property. I cannot build a pallet house at all.
I have gone back and forth on container homes. At the moment I see a place for them.
That's because it's a stupid conversation.
You know what else you cana build a house with.
Building materials.
And it won't be an unventilated, 100 sf, 120 degree Faraday cage that will collapse on itself after it rusts away in a few years because the expected lifespan of a shipping container is 20 years before you cut a bunch of holes in it.
20 years with very large portion of it on the sea exposed to the elements and with minimal to no maintenance. That's a very damn important detail
Oh yea I'm sure cutting a bunch of holes in it and then propping one end up and having it support itself plus the weight of all the building materials you added at an angle so it concentrates all of the force onto one short edge plus the unsupported span of the floor will drive that expectancy way up.
On the contrary, new research from the University of Michigan shows that shipping container houses (and similar repurposed pre-engineered objects) are actually much more costly than you might expect: https://cadence.moe/PPB_Portable_Prefab_Buildings.pdf
This isn't an improv group.
Literally modular and manufactured homes. Pre-engineered, portable, and an actual house, not a storage unit.
TO BE SHIPPING CONTAINERS
you can't modify them in any way without compromising the structural integrity of these things. that crinkle isn't just for fun, its part of what makes the whole thing rigid enough not to fall apart. If you start cutting into that, you have to come up with a whole new support structure and might as well just build it normally.
Actual prefab buildings though? That's workable.