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Surely punching left will convince leftists that siding with backstabbing liberals will work this time!
I'm likely voting for Biden, for what it's worth, but wouldn't your goals be better served by trying to work with leftists and unalienate them from the electoral process, rather than opting for the shame route? The entire reason why Biden is losing leftist votes is because liberals have been punching left, rather than trying to build a coalition, thus alienating leftist voices.
lmao
Yep, sure, it's definitely been the mean ol' shitlibs- I mean, liberals, who are always punching left. Those poor wittle folk who say "I see literally no difference between liberals and fascists!" just need a nice pat on the head and are definitely willing and eager to work with liberals, if only someone said a few nice words to them.
Sorry for not affording them the respect that fascist enablers apparently 'deserve'.
Glad you could clear up that you aren't actually interested in getting Biden to win, and wish to not build up a coalition.
Licking the boots of fascist enablers doesn't help a coalition. Raising awareness of the vapidity and disingenuity of fascist enablers and their constantly parroted talking points who would never vote for a filthy 'shitlib' anyway is more effective in strengthening the actual voting numbers of a coalition. But you keep playing apologist for the mass murder of minorities.
Calling alienated leftists "fascist enablers" is how you plan to get them to vote for Biden like us? Can't see how that makes any sense, personally.
Reach out and actually try to build a coalition instead of aggressively alienating leftists even further, you're losing Biden votes by doing this.
No, because I'm already well-aware that they're not voting for 'shitlibs' like Biden. Calling self-proclaimed 'leftists' who value purity over the death of minorities fascist enablers is how I let them know they aren't welcome where people with a shred of human fucking dignity are, and to minimize the effect of their dry, repetitive "BOTH SIDES" script.
There are a few knowns here.
There is a growing subsection of the population that currently cannot morally justify voting for an enabler of genocide.
These people would never vote for Trump, because Trump is a more reactionary candidate.
These people do not want fascism, they want Socialism, and thus are alienated by the DNC.
Sounds to me like the correct course of action is to point out the futility of voting for leftist change, and that it might be more strategically viable to vote for Biden over Trump, rather than abstaining or voting PSL, no?
If your goal is truly to get Biden to win, then your goal should be to build a coalition. If you believe the votes of alienated leftists do matter, then you must try to gain their votes.
The fact that you seem to be actively antagonizing them makes it seem like their votes do not matter to you.
I love that you can't even see the contradiction here.
What's the contradiction? The genocide will happen regardless, leftist change cannot happen from within, so slowing the descent into fascism buys more time for organizing, no?
I understand that you don't think the votes of leftists matter in the grand scheme of things, otherwise you would try your best to convince people to vote for Biden, but in swing states there is in fact a material difference in voting blue over red.
"There are people who absolutely won't vote for Biden on moral grounds based on actions that have already happened, despite the looming threat of fascism from the right."
"Just convince these people to vote for Biden!"
Fascism is happening regardless, Trump is just the fast path. Fascism is an inevitable result from crumbling Capitalism, unless actively fought against on the ground. It cannot simply be resisted electorally, otherwise voting for PSL would work.
Therefore, building a coalition is more valuable, and Biden provides more time for that. Simple as.
I understand that you're uninterested in actually combatting fascism, which is why you try your absolute best to further alienate people feeling abandoned by the DNC, but I truly believe reaching out and trying to get people to come together is the path forward. Solidarity.
I love that you didn't address the actual point raised, but that's okay. You keep up on your 'both sides' delusions. And I'll keep reminding everyone what morally and intellectually bankrupt dogshite they are.
What point did I not address? Do you think it's impossible to successfully persuade people? I can understand why you'd think that, what with your abysmal track record and all, but believe it or not talking to people as though they have valid concerns actually lowers their barrier.
Keep working hard at getting Trump elected and pushing voters further away from Biden, I guess, lol.