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Not voting because bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe, even after the goddamned 2016-21 dark ages, is the leftist version of anti-vaxx anti-mask. Too many people seem to be equally lazy plus self-centered equals stupid, in all directions.
Whether it's about putting a piece of cloth on your face or voting, they're special; above it all; they know what the truth is, and we're the dumb ones for not seeing it, we're the dumb ones for doing something, for choosing a path of effort/inconvenience/civic duty instead of inaction. And we are the mindless herd to them.
EDIT: Then you tell them that republican and russian troll farms are flooding their discussions, concern trolling about genocide while russia itself is invading Ukraine with genocidal intentions, with the explicit intent to get them to not vote because they are manipulable in bad faith, and do they seem to care?
Tbf there is also a certain extent of legit lefty anti-mask anti-vaxx sentiment,
Over there it's less about pseudo-science (at least until you get the california crunchy moms who believe in crystal healing) and more about how the US medical establishment can't be trusted for one reason or the other.
"Everyone who doesn't agree with me 100% is either an idiot, lazy, self-centered, and/or the enemy," the true mark of a thriving democracy. Democrats can pat themselves on the back with that one all the way to a loss at the polls, then bust out their best surprised Pikachu face and blame leftists again when it turns out their unpopular platform of saying, "Well, we're marginally less shit than the other guy!" doesn't transform into a win.
I know this is uncharted territory, but perhaps Democrats could try being a bit less shit, rather than constantly punching left? Zero pressure on Democrat candidates to not be absolute trash, and then you have the gall to act surprised that people aren't tripping over themselves to back them when their platform is less than inspiring. If you guys put half the effort into whipping your preferred candidates into shape rather than brow beating anyone who dares criticize them, your bullshit hand wringing about evil, stupid leftists would be entirely unnecessary.
This isn't about a difference in political opinion it's about encouraging not voting.
You can choose non-participation and you can fool yourself that it washes your hands but it does not stop the status quo, in fact it encourages it.
I'll vote but I'll vote third party
You guys will get pissed at that too
Democrats haven't done shit for decades now. Every single time they come in, it's a little glitter on top of the steaming shit pile left by the republican counterpart, and then the same old stuff as them, just with different words. Doesn't matter which party is in the White House, both of them are bought out completely by fossil fuels, tech, pharma, and all the other main industries. The Democrats are not a left wing party, they are a center right party that has been drifting ever more towards the right.
If their only running point is that they're not as bad as the republicans, well honestly, they have shown that to not be true. The same things that would have happened under the republicans is happening under the Democrats. Joe Biden is the one calling people who protest against genocide anti semites. He's the one okay with the national guard and heavily militarized police beating up and arresting American citizens because they protest another country having exorbitant power here.
How is that different from Trump saying the same thing when Democrats were upset about Russia? How are you all okay with another country blatantly directing America's leaders? And buying our politics?
If you guys can only ever dream of two choices, when literally half the western governments have more than two choices and have to form coalitions, that's your own failing. The two party system was always broken that's why even George fucking Washington warned against it 250 odd years ago.
But if you want a third choice you're gonna have to vote for one. And telling everyone they should stick their head in the sand and only vote for two pieces of a shit sandwich because it's been like that for a while is cowardly. Dream of a better world, then make one. Don't just dream of it and say ah well it's out of reach.
Voting third party in this election is useless. All you would be doing is throwing your vote away.
This isn't a one issue election. It's a crossroads.
They say that about literally every single election
The standards have sunk so low it is staggering
What third party runner has any chance of winning the presidency?
Name one.
By that logic you should never vote for a third party ever because the chances are low
By that logic you should never try to change anything or challenge the status quo because what's the point.
People thought the divine right of kings was the only viable system for a thousand years too
Which third party candidate is viable this year? I think you forgot that part in your reply.
The entire thing of being third party is that it's only viable if people start realizing that they can and should bring those people into the fold. If a third party candidate somehow pulled 10% of the vote both Dems and Reps would have to take notice and make some changes. That person might not win outright but it gets the ball rolling.
So which third party candidate is viable this year?
So you claim, but every time someone questions Democrat doctrine, or dares suggest maybe they ought to change policy, you lot pop up screaming "But what about Trump!?!?" and equating any criticism of Biden to advocating non-voting, or better yet, claiming everything is some sort of false flag to try and prime the chances for Trump to win. Nobody can legitimately have a different opinion.
You have no real path to actually get the Democrats to change course, no reason for any of us to believe we won't be in this exact same situation in another four years with you running around like chickens with your heads cut off, and anyone who dares say, "Well, gee, guys, maybe we should do something other than the same old garbage that hasn't got anyone optimistic about a Democrat outside Obama in the last 30 years," you have a dozen accusations to levy against them to dismiss any points they raise. But yeah, we're all just supposed to believe that it's going to be anything other than more of the same centrist Democrats proceeding to do fuck all of what them claim they will the second they hear they won another election.
Of course they ought to change policy. But how stupid is your solution to this that you'd rather let something far worse take over? It's just so obviously dumb that it had to have come from the disinformation campaign packaged in a smart sounding way because no sane leftist would settle on this conclusion on their own.
"If you do the same thing we've asked you to for decades, we promise it'll be different this time," is a take so stupid, it must be some sort of disinformation campaign, because no sane Democrat would be stupid enough to think this would convince people. Continuing to run the same, tired plays over and over again and expecting that nobody will realize that they're full of it is just asinine tactics on their part.
no one is promising it will be different. it just won't be worse. but I can see how that's so hard to understand for someone such as yourself who struggles with basic logic.
So instead of suggesting that you interact with the political apparatus at the Congressional level and actually take some action your solution is too just to do nothing?
It's funny how energetic people are around a presidential election but the years in-between it's all silence.
I think voting third party is viable when it comes to local elections/electing Congress people and senators. When it comes to the president, it is much much less viable. If you want a third party president to be viable, you must first build up that third party's power and at the same try to prevent a fascist takeover so that third party power buildup can be sustained. Building up the power of a third party takes decades of work. Further third party power can be amassed through implementation of ranked choice voting, which takes time to implement as you need to get multiple states to agree to it first.
Trump will be worse for Palestine bro, I don't see how you think you're coming out on top by not voting and letting him win. They'll bulldoze Gaza and build condos. Get your head out of your ass
This delay?
No, no, you see, none of that matters because it happened to the disadvantaged. Only the opinion of masturbatory left-LARPing circlejerks online matter.
Well they can't be, of course, leftism is only for ivory tower intellectuals, and the disadvantaged are assumed to be dumb inbred racist neofascist hillbillies.