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"It was the best deal we could have had." Two years later, a Ukrainian negotiator is still bitter: unveiled by the German daily Die Welt, in an article spotted by Le Figaro on Monday, the deal could have ended the war just weeks after the Russian invasion.

Dated April 15, 2022, it provided security guarantees for Kiev in exchange for Ukraine's "neutrality", but was ultimately buried. A distant memory, while the situation on the front has continued to deteriorate in recent weeks.

“After we withdrew the troops from Kiev, as we promised, the Kiev authorities, as their masters usually do, threw all this into the dustbin of history,” Putin noted in June.

The head of the Ukrainian delegation during the talks, David Arakhamia, named Boris Johnson as guilty. He said that the British PM at the time had gone to Kiev on April 9, 2022 , to convince Zelensky to “sign nothing at all” with Russia . A “total absurdity”, Johnson responded affirming that he had only “expressed his concerns” about the nature of the agreement.

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[-] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 6 months ago

Apparently it was Germany that told Putin that if he wanted Ukraine to be able to sign the agreement that they had just negotiated he should first pull his troops from Kiev. Like a complete idiot he believed them, and this after they had just spent seven years dicking him around with the Minsk accords that they never had any intention of making Ukraine abide by.

Say what you will about the West but they would never fall for this kind of shit. They wouldn't get fucked over due to being so naive as to believe that their interlocutor was negotiating in good faith, because they themselves never act in good faith, are always lying and looking to screw the other side over and so assume everyone else does too.

Russians are like naive children sometimes. They really want to believe that they are dealing with rational, normal people in the West and they get fucked over for it every time. I hope that the Ukraine saga has finally taught them that the West is incapable of doing anything but lying and cheating and will never ever cease trying to destroy you if you don't bow down to them and let them rob and enslave you.

And i hope China has been paying attention and learning this lesson as well.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 6 months ago

Yeah, I remember that came out recently. Russia basically pulled back as a good will gesture and the west spun it as a big win. And completely agree that Russia has been incredibly naive, they just kept falling for western bullshit time and again all the way since Gorbachev days. Seems like the lesson is finally starting to sink in though. China's been far more competent politically in my opinion.

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