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[-] bouldering_barista@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago

Yeah, but.... Oftentimes criticizing Biden helps trump. I'd rather not even risk it at this point.

Can we spend more energy celebrating that trump is NOT the president and how bad it would be if he comes back?

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 46 points 6 months ago

Criticizing Biden is totally fine. It's the pressure from these posters to not vote for Biden out of principle that's the problem.

Biden is flubbing the Gaza situation hard but he's still (unfortunately) our only chance to keep Trump out of office.

This post should really say "Just because we dislike Biden doesn't mean we shouldn't vote for him"

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 months ago

Telling the DNC that you and most people will vote for him unconditionally is sabotaging his chances; the dems need to understand they cannot win if they continue the path they're on, and telling them otherwise is counterproductive.

Silencing criticism of millions isn't gonna win an election. Doing the things the people whose votes you need are telling you to do will.

[-] TheFriar@lemm.ee 9 points 6 months ago

Well, the problem is, the way the US sees it, keeping Israel as an ally is more important than Joe Biden. Yes, even if that means fascism comes humping an American flag. You can still be at the top of the postwar order with a fascist in charge!

[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 months ago
[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago

Yeah, but they're listening to public sentiment.

If public sentiment is "everyone's gonna vote for Biden no matter what", they're not gonna change the course, and then be shocked when they get blown out worse than they did in 2016.

[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

If the public sentiment is that we're gonna vote for Biden no matter what, then when the election comes we'll vote for Biden ....no matter what.

What you're describing is if the DNC hear "blue no matter who", but what they hear isn't reflective of reality. Meanwhile, what we want is for everyone to vote blue no matter who, but give the DNC a good scare into getting their act together.

So what we absolutely need to do is be critical of Biden when the DNC are watching, but stress the dangers of a Trump presidency when they're not paying attention.

And the DNC are not on Lemmy. So Lemmy is where we should say blue no matter who. We can go criticise Biden on Facebook or whatever boomers use these days. But there's no point in it on Lemmy, except when we're saying to vote for him in the election and kill him in the revolution.

[-] HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The problem is that people are dumb, and plenty are legitimately not planning on voting for Biden now.

If and when Biden deals with Gaza, everyone with this mindset immediately needs to turn around and start sucking off Biden with previously unseen vigor and determination, otherwise this is only going to damage his chance of being elected. Hell, even then I still see some damage being done.

It just seems irresponsible to spread this message, especially when people like OP seem to genuinely believe it. Pick a less blatantly fascist opponent than Trump to do this with ffs

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

If and when Biden deals with Gaza, everyone with this mindset immediately needs to turn around and start sucking off Biden with previously unseen vigor and determination, otherwise this is only going to damage his chance of being elected.

There's tens of thousands of mostly children dead, and Israel is using famine and disease to wipe out the rest, no shit it damages Biden's chances if his actions come this late. Especially if Biden's answer to Gaza is ship Israel weapons more quietly while claiming to hold up shipments, while Israel starves Gaza out.

Then again, if Biden stops the money and arms to Israel, and sanctions Israel, and Trump responds by promising money and arms to Israel so they can resume the genocide, I don't see how anyone could not vote Biden.

[-] HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

Totally agree, he's already damaging his own reputation, which is why the "do not vote for Biden" game can even be played.

I'm just far more terrified of what Trump will do to Gaza, and Biden is just the lesser of two evils

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

What more can be done? We are already sending 100% of the weapons, money, and diplomatic support Israel needs. We're already bombing Yemen for taking actions to stop Israel and shooting down Iranian drones trying to stop them. Is Trump going to do the same thing, but be proud of it? Shit I can't even say that, Biden is extremely proud of his support for Israel. Trump is simply going to be more obnoxious about it.

Lesser evilism isn't gonna win an election when your lesser evil is already genocide.

[-] HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

The US has nukes, and much bigger traditional ballistics than what's currently being sent.

If Biden really really wanted to, Gaza wouldn't exist anymore

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago

Israel has nukes. They're not using them, or chemical weapons because it would be sanctioned to an extent that even the US couldn't help them.

Israel actions are not limited by the size of the bombs they're being given.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago

You surely realize they can't use nukes there, right?

[-] HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

That's why I mentioned the other traditional methods

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

you also mentioned nukes. Why?

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 months ago

Gaza situation

Sorry, call it how it is, the Palestinian genocide

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