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How arrogant would voters have to be to vote in favor their rights while Biden is helping murder and violating human rights of brown people around the world?
Campaigning on women's rights while denying women's rights to life around the world.
I don't like it, but in reality I have 2 choices.
It's a shit choice. But its an easy choice. One candidate is a very real threat to not just myself, but my friends, family, and community. The other is not.
I'd love our magic 3rd option to show up and be viable, but they won't. We all know this.
It's absolutely bonkers to me that people think not voting for Biden will somehow help Palestinians.
Well, By telling Biden "it is okay, you will be voted no matter what" you encourage him to be his worst. The goal is to threaten and punish Biden if he does not uphold checks notes basic human rights, international rule of law and not being complicit in the worst crimes of humanity.
The DNC laughes about you and they are happy to fuck you over once elected again. And with you i mean everyone who is not super rich, or white upper class liberal. Believing the DNC would stick it out for LGBT rights is laughable given how happy they are to murder other minorities.
I don't disagree with this. The point is that Trump being elected will be much worse for non-whites and LGBT than Biden.
Going into speculation, I don't think not voting for Biden will make dems shift further left. I see so many comments talking about how Biden's stance on Palestine might lose him the election but absolutely no evidence that shifting his stance would help him win. Leftists are a small minority and I see no evidence that Biden has anything to gain from appeasing the left. My guess would be that shifting left could lose dems the support of many "moderates" or whatever the fuck they call themselves.
If you want people to agree with you then you need to convince them that sharing your point of view benefits them. I see absolutely no evidence that not voting for Biden will benefit anybody on the left, but I see plenty of evidence it will harm the left. Going on about how voting for Biden is bad is just straight up fucking obnoxious when you fail to follow it up with any logical alternative. "Sending Biden a message" is not a good argument when you fail to prove that he has anything to gain by listening.
I would argue that failing to realize how large of a voting bloc the left is was a large part of what got us Trump in the first place. Moderates weren't enough to push Hillary through in 2016, and Dems made sure to send a strong "we don't need or care about you" message to the left.
I fully agree with this, but here is the thing. The Dems aren't arguing that their point of view benefits the Left. They are arguing Republicans will be worse. Which is true, but saying I have to pay you $20 so your asshole friend doesn't beat me up and take my wallet isn't a benefit to me. It's extortion.
I will be voting for Biden, being extorted is a less terrible option in the short run after all. But I won't be surprised if the Dems "We are less awful" strategy doesn't woo enough voters. And the Dems will have only themselves to blame. Because just like you said, if you want people to agree with you, you have to show them the benefit.
Democrats havent done a damn thing to protect our community, endless lip service about rights and protections while doing nothing causes more harm
So the people doing nothing are causing more harm than the people actively hunting and persecuting me?
I’d disagree. That’s like saying my neighbors who didn’t put out the fire in my house are just as bad as my other neighbor who started the fire in the first place.
We have two choices.
Democrats haven’t done a damn thing…
Except in your bad up scenario, neighbor 1 provided the matches to neighbor 2.
YOU have 2 choices, neither of them is on list list. Theres a larger chance of you voting republican than me voting for either
Dems did not supply the matches lol. Republicans showed up with a flame thrower.
But whatever. There will be no winning you over, even with facts provided. Later boo
There has been no facts, only conjecture
Yeah, I'm sure Trump will be your man and the defender of the rights of brown people and women...lol
The difference is republicans dont pretend to care.
Because I would like to still be alive and not a second class citizen so that I can do what I can to advocate for those who still need that recognition and aid rather than backslide and have everything be universally worse. Can't rightly do that when I'm getting sent to the fucking camps too.
You are already a second class citizen to the US government. In this country you either have money or you dont. Anyone without it is treated as a second class citizen, and has no representation in government.