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[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago

OK, so China has looked out for its own interests and created an economic advantage for a fraction of its own population.

800 million people being lifted out of poverty is a massive achievement. How dare the evil communists do good things because it keeps them popular for some reason /s

And yet, still the largest source of methane emission.

Wow, I bet China hasn't thought about that. https://dialogue.earth/en/climate/what-does-chinas-new-methane-plan-mean-for-the-climate/#:~:text=Implementation%20is%20key&text=For%20example%2C%20the%20plan%20requires,and%20exceed%2085%25%20by%202030.

As a product they can sell. Let’s not pretend like this has some altruistic motivation.

Making solar cheaper and selling it to people who would otherwise use fossil fuels is good actually.

In fact, the BRI is trapping numerous countries in unsustainable levels of debt. At the same time, bilateral trade, though often increasing after the conclusion of a deal, remains one-sided, where China extracts resources for exports but imports cheap finished goods of questionable quality that undermine local manufacturers. reference

You didn't read this critically, if you did you'd see some of their sources being guardian articles that are like "some people are concerned about how much money China is loaning out" which doesn't really prove anything. If you look at their history of debt forgiveness you'd realize this rhetoric is just projection from IMF ghouls.

India has repeatedly said it will not join BRI because it does not offer a level playing ground to the country’s businesses. reference

Okay? They're free to do protectionism for local bourgeois industry. You'll note China hasn't sailed ships into their harbors and insisted with rifles, unlike the Europeans.

Let’s stay on topic. If you want to discuss NATO, we can do that after.

Imperialism is the main contradiction of our era. China presenting a viable alternative to US/European hegemony and helping to usher in a multipolar world is a major accomplishment that will improve global wellbeing.

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub -1 points 5 months ago

Let’s stay on topic. If you want to discuss NATO, we can do that after.

Imperialism is the main contradiction of our era. China presenting a viable alternative to US/European hegemony and helping to usher in a multipolar world is a major accomplishment that will improve global wellbeing.

You're not capable of having a rational, on-topic discussion in good faith. You want to play stupid games with moving goalposts, so we're done.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Honestly it sounds like you're just coping by suggesting this argument:

Imperialism is the main contradiction of our era. China presenting a viable alternative to US/European hegemony and helping to usher in a multipolar world is a major accomplishment that will improve global wellbeing.

Isn't:

Rational- it is, the argument is based on an understanding of anticolonial and multipolar theory. If you'd like to learn Id suggest starting off with "wretched of the earth" and "imperialism the highest stage of capitalism" before moving on to more modern stuff

On topic- you were complaining about China doing bad shit without getting into specifics, I said "yeah, like (examples of massive accomplishments)" and then I mentioned that they were helping erode a unipolar imperialist system. I think helping to erode a unipolar imperialist system is a big accomplishment and fits into the topic.

Good faith- I don't see how I've given any indication that I'm not being earnest in my beliefs.

Moving goalposts- i really don't know how to respond to this, where do you think I initially placed them, and where do you think I moved them to?

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