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[-] Cornpop@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Murder is already illegal lol

[-] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today -1 points 6 months ago

Exactly. And that's why this won't do shit. The people who are committing the vast majority of those homicides and other violent crimes are not using legal firearms. They don't go to a gun dealer and pay a tax and fill out a background check. They buy illegal guns on the street.

Those illegal guns can come from anywhere. Stolen, straw purchased in other states, or simply imported along with the equally illegal drugs that the firearm's owner is probably selling on the street.

All this text does is punish the law abiding gun owners who are not committing crimes who do fill out background checks who do follow the law and who do pay their taxes. Those aren't the people causing the problem.

[-] mhague@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Nearly all guns will have a legal upstream source, so it stands to reason that taxes can directly impact people selling guns used in crimes, indirectly impacts those who sell them under the table, extracts money from gun owners who as a class aren't being as responsible as they should, and fundamentally reduces the amount of guns in circulation.

[-] Dinsmore@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago

So one of the most common handguns is the Glock 19, which can be found pretty easily for between $500 and $600 in any gun store. I have strong doubts that an extra $55-66 per gun is going to fundamentally reduce the amount of guns in circulation. The person who buys a single gun isn't going to not buy the gun, and hobbyists who have a lot of disposable income won't stop buying new stuff, but will grumble a lot.

Anyone with nefarious intentions (cartels, etc.) would just buy in Nevada, Arizona, or other states anyways, where there aren't as many restrictions on firearms. If you ever see crime photos of people with glocks, it's pretty common to see 30-round magazines, which have been unable to be purchased in CA for years, showing that these guns and magazines are all coming from out of state to begin with.

[-] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 0 points 6 months ago

Right, and don't forget that guns are a lot easier to manufacture than drugs. All you need is a decent machine shop. So they could be made domestically with a night shift at a legitimate machine shop business, or made elsewhere and imported with the illegal drugs that are already being imported. The black market will provide what criminals want. Evil men will always find the tools they need to dispense their evil.

[-] Dinsmore@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago

Yeah, even 3d printed frames are even "good enough" for occasional use, especially if you buy all the other internals elsewhere, especially the slide/barrel, which are not covered at all by this tax (or by any other law in CA that I'm aware of, other than threaded barrels for pistols).

[-] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 1 points 6 months ago

Quite true. Keeping in mind everything but the serialized frame is unregulated (and probably unregulatable) accessories, that makes assembling illegal guns even easier. Just build, machine, import, jury rig, etc a frame, and buy the rest legally including all the stress parts like barrel and slide..

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