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Isn't Russia open to stopping the military operation at the current borders? Zelenskyy seems to be looking for negotiation (which already won't favor him). Peace is on the table if the puppet regime is willing to make some concessions.
Ukraine is done and they know it. They don't have the people. Young people don't want to fight and are fleeing the country. Expanding the ~~conscription~~ kidnapping program will only increase casualties for an already demoralized, overage and underqualified army. We've seen what all the NATO toys are really worth.
Zelenskyy is done, too, and there's no way around that. His term has expired and is now an unelected dictator imposing martial law, which everyone loves, of course. His best chance of exiting this thing alive would be to surrender and live out his life in a Russian prison, or some faction or another within Ukraine will surely have him publicly executed.
In Ukraine's position, more toys and escalation means an even swifter reprisal. If they're losing now, why give Russia any reason to take it further? I think the Ukraine puppet regime knows how much they have to lose now. Maybe not as much at the top level, but the military is feeling it for sure. Fertile ground for a military coup, if not a revolution. Negotiating peace now is in the best interest of maintaining any kind of stable state.
i doubt he’s going to have any real consequences for how he handled this war
Maybe, but how long can he really hold on to power at this point? We already know he'd lose if elections were held. If he surrenders or gives up an inch of dirt, the Banderites will hang him from a lamp post in Kiev (they've said as much and we have every reason to believe them). If he refuses peace and keeps the meat grinder going under martial law, he risks mutiny, coup, revolution or civil war -- or maybe all of the above.
I don't think anyone in Ukraine wants to see Z stay in power, aside from the CIA.
I don't think Zelenskyy is guaranteed to die or be arrested, but I don't think he'll get off scott free either.
If Zelensky tries to engage in peace negotiations without the support, and protection of, the west, he will be killed by either the west or one of the fascist officers beneath him. This is why he keeps asking and will not ever try to do this himself.
He also signed that law that prohibits his government from negotiating peace. I'm not sure Putin will even negotiate with an unelected, illegitimate government which he refuses to leave. Bro went all in on barricading the escape routes.
Remember when Xi called him with proposal of peace mediation, just after the spectacular success of mediating between KSA and Iran? Zelensky shot the proposal down in less than minute asserting once again that minimum line for Ukrain is basically capitulation of Russia.
I would love to believe this.
Unfortunately, villains getting punished rarely happens outside of fiction and books for children. In the reality they just retire with millions of dollars (in his case it's probably billions tho) stolen for themselves and their children.
Whatever the outcome - be it WW3, total genocide of Ukrainians or whatever else - the scumbag will probably be remembered in the history books as a hero who stood up to Russia. There will be no remark that "standing up" in that case means kidnapping people from the streets and being responsible for deaths of those who unsuccessfully tried to escape his prison by rivers/mountains.
That said, I still hope that someone will murder this piece of shit
I don't like to indulge wishful thinking and fantasy much, either. I am trying to look at this from a materialist lens, though.
I mention it elsewhere in this thread, but Zelenskyy has no real base of support within Ukraine. He will never be "pure" enough for the Banderites. Polling has shown that he wouldn't win in an election against Zaluzhnyi, who is more or less the Banderite and militarists guy. After dismissing Zaluzhnyi, I think we all half-expected there to be a military coup. The Banderites have threatened to kill him multiple times (personally, I think he's only still alive because he's the money guy). The communists and anti-fascists want to see him violently overthrown. The rest of the citizens of Ukraine are prisoners living in a fascist police state run by an unelected dictator, who's pushing them into an impossible meat-grinder.
Ukrainians know he's blocked multiple peace deals that they would have been totally amenable to. Consider that the Istanbul peace deal that the US/UK torpedoed would only have required that Ukraine not join NATO. What Ukrainian civilian would have been willing to risk nuclear war just to join NATO, just so the west can park nukes on another Russian border, risking yet more nuclear war right in their front yard?
Grim conditions for someone trying to stay in power. The west can try to spin it all they like, but the western media bubble cheering him on is totally divorced from the conditions and opinions inside Ukraine. Historically speaking, the material conditions of Ukrainians are going to be the real determining force for Zelenskyy, no matter how many suburban white people in Kansas paint their faces on instagram.
I just hope you're right