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What I can't imagine it's how can people let that happen? Hot him, hit him hard. Stop him. Yes, I know, lawsuit yadayada, but there are situations that simply transcendent that. Was there nobody who was physically able to hurt him? And if not, like I tell my daughter, go to the guys over there and tell them, directly " you. Help me. That guy is assaulting me."
This sounds an awful lot like victim blaming, and you're advocating for what here? For random passengers to step in and beat this guy? If the airline attendants couldn't control him, why should passengers need to step in? These women should rely on the random willingness of strangers to protect them? Also from a legal standpoint, other passengers do not owe a duty of care to other passengers. Only the airline has a legal duty to protect their passengers. So these people should absolutely should sue the shit ouf of this airline, because they negligently allowed an unruly passenger to continue harrassing other passengers for an entire flight when they were the only ones with a legal obligation to act.
Who cares?? Be a decent person and stop sexual assault if you see it.
The point is you shouldn't have to depend on the whims of random people being willing to help you, when you are paying money for the airline already to do this job for you. Part of the airline's literal job is to make sure you're safe while you're traveling.
When the "authorities" don't protect you, you have to protect yourself, and those in your community.
If you see sexual assault happening, and the authorities aren't helping, you are morally obligated to step in.
As the helpful passenger did, you should start your efforts non violently. Separate people until more authorities arrive. If someone's wellness is still at risk, act within your ability to support your community.
You shouldn't have to, but in this case they did. So you're advice is to just sit around and be sexually assaulted in the hopes that your trauma will be appeased by maybe winning a lawsuit against a mega-corps?
Yeah I’m pretty sure I didn’t say that but okay.
Actually you did say that no one is responsible except the airline.
And that's just nonsense.
Everyone who lets these things happen is responsible.
Again, that's not what I said. The context was "from a legal standpoint", which is still accurate regardless of how you feel about it.
Well, your comment was from a legal point. Everyone else was talking about morality.
And these do clash in this case.
I agree btw that they should 'sue the shit out of the airline'.
There's something called "Unterlassene Hilfeleistung" here in Germany, which means that you can be sued and will be accused of choosing not to take action in helping if you're a bystander and don't help :) so it's a bit of a different view of things and what is legal and what is not legal here. I don't know if that's the case in the US... Or wherever you're located.