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[-] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 284 points 1 year ago

Not surprising. They archive information that powerful people would rather we forget.

[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 137 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not surprising. They archive information that powerful people would rather ~~we forget~~ monetise.

FTFY

[-] IllNess@infosec.pub 78 points 1 year ago

It's both. I'm sure Puff Daddy, and R Kelly would rather we forget all the horrible things they've done rather than make money off of it. At the same time the NYTimes and the Atlantic would love to make money off their articles about those two people.

[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That literally has nothing to do with archive.org

[-] IllNess@infosec.pub 12 points 1 year ago

Archive.com is not archive.org.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I keep seeing people reference diddy did something bad, without mentioning what he did......

[-] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Half a dozen people have accused him of sexual assault.

[-] IllNess@infosec.pub 4 points 1 year ago

He assaulted a singer named Cassie.

[-] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

Addition to what others have stated. He is in trouble for more than just one woman. There are many claiming, but Cassie was the first (I think) that accused him and got paid to not say anything. That made his civil suit with her go away, but the feds built up a case and busted on human trafficking amongst other things. His old employee has a bunch of recordings of illegal stuff.

[-] Mac@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

i actually doubt that. i bet of they could make money off of it woth no repercussions they would not give a single fuck.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

So we're accusing P.Diddy and R. Kelley of DDOSing the Internet Archive, then?

[-] steventrouble@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago
[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Nobody is denying it I noticed.

[-] steventrouble@programming.dev -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Blocked. Saying "nobody said that" is clearly a denial.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I wasn't being literal but go right ahead.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

Then wtf does it have to do with anything related to the IA

[-] Resonosity@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You're either a troll or a dipshit. They introduced an example where both interests of removing information from the public forum and having the monopoly of reporting on that information work to undermine archiving. It is important for the truth and for public trust that we support Internet Archive and other archivists/historians.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

They introduced an example of whay P.Diddy has to do with anything?

[-] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Exactly. We're allowed to know based on what we can afford to know.

[-] General_Effort@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

I doubt this has to do with "powerful people". A DDOS attack does not remove anything from the net, but only makes it temporarily hard to reach.

There are firms that specialize in suppressing information on the net. They use SEO tricks to get sites down-ranked, as well as (potentially fraudulent) copyright and GDPR request.

There must be any number of "little guys" who hate the Internet Archive. They scrape copyrighted stuff and personal data "without consent" and even disregard robots.txt. Lemmy is full of people who think that people should go to jail for that sort of thing.

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Lots of grand conspiracy theories in this thread when, in the end, it's probably some bored script kiddy

[-] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

I doubt it. I'd sooner think it's a corporation or state actor.

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

How does taking the website down for a few hours help those people? Especially a state actor? If it was the US government or someone like them wouldn't they do something more permanent? Actually wipe the website?

[-] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Some news source released something that got redacted based on government pressure. Archive made a snapshot of the news source. Now the state actor goes after the Archive to prevent time sensitive information from spreading. They benefit from the information not being widely available immediately.

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Oh....so what got released today?

[-] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

How would I know? The news source retracted their statement and archive.org is down...

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Up for me. It was down a few hours tops. And I remember checking it around the time you made that post as well?

[-] Beetlejuice001@lemmy.wtf -2 points 1 year ago

Israel attacking Palestine again possibly

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

What does knocking the website offline for a few hours do for their war?

[-] dogsnest@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

OwN tEh LiBs !!!

[-] Beetlejuice001@lemmy.wtf -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Who knows, how in The world would I know

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

err....it was your suggestion?

[-] Beetlejuice001@lemmy.wtf -2 points 1 year ago

I offered a plausible explanation never did I suggest it was THE reason. Near zero chance we will ever know

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I just don't see how its plausible Israel wanted a website to go down for 2 hours to help them bomb Palestine

[-] Beetlejuice001@lemmy.wtf -2 points 1 year ago

Who knows, could be anyone for any reason

[-] dogsnest@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Aliens or illuminati, for sure.

[-] nl4real@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Is it still something you can do to big sites the way people did back in the 2000's?

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yep but usually the worst case scenario is a few hours of downtime.

[-] stillitcomes@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Oh that's true. I've seen a lot of cancel/call-out documents archived on IA, some of which were directed at children or had false accusations on them. It would be funny but not that surprising if all of this was over obscure Twitter drama.

[-] r3df0x@7.62x54r.ru 2 points 1 year ago

That's one of the problems with archiving everything. I lean in favor of the IA, but there are still issues.

[-] r3df0x@7.62x54r.ru 1 points 1 year ago

Can you elaborate on the last part?

TBH I can understand that it's a problem for people who aren't expecting it. If they disregard instructions not to index things then that's also a problem. The only real way to prevent scrapers from replicating content is to place it behind a registration wall.

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