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[-] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 284 points 6 months ago

Not surprising. They archive information that powerful people would rather we forget.

[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 137 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Not surprising. They archive information that powerful people would rather ~~we forget~~ monetise.

FTFY

[-] IllNess@infosec.pub 78 points 6 months ago

It's both. I'm sure Puff Daddy, and R Kelly would rather we forget all the horrible things they've done rather than make money off of it. At the same time the NYTimes and the Atlantic would love to make money off their articles about those two people.

[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

That literally has nothing to do with archive.org

[-] IllNess@infosec.pub 12 points 6 months ago

Archive.com is not archive.org.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

I keep seeing people reference diddy did something bad, without mentioning what he did......

[-] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago

Half a dozen people have accused him of sexual assault.

[-] IllNess@infosec.pub 4 points 6 months ago

He assaulted a singer named Cassie.

[-] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 months ago

Addition to what others have stated. He is in trouble for more than just one woman. There are many claiming, but Cassie was the first (I think) that accused him and got paid to not say anything. That made his civil suit with her go away, but the feds built up a case and busted on human trafficking amongst other things. His old employee has a bunch of recordings of illegal stuff.

[-] Mac@mander.xyz 1 points 6 months ago

i actually doubt that. i bet of they could make money off of it woth no repercussions they would not give a single fuck.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

So we're accusing P.Diddy and R. Kelley of DDOSing the Internet Archive, then?

[-] steventrouble@programming.dev 11 points 6 months ago
[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago

Nobody is denying it I noticed.

[-] steventrouble@programming.dev -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Blocked. Saying "nobody said that" is clearly a denial.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I wasn't being literal but go right ahead.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world -4 points 6 months ago

Then wtf does it have to do with anything related to the IA

[-] Resonosity@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

You're either a troll or a dipshit. They introduced an example where both interests of removing information from the public forum and having the monopoly of reporting on that information work to undermine archiving. It is important for the truth and for public trust that we support Internet Archive and other archivists/historians.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago

They introduced an example of whay P.Diddy has to do with anything?

[-] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

Exactly. We're allowed to know based on what we can afford to know.

[-] General_Effort@lemmy.world 40 points 6 months ago

I doubt this has to do with "powerful people". A DDOS attack does not remove anything from the net, but only makes it temporarily hard to reach.

There are firms that specialize in suppressing information on the net. They use SEO tricks to get sites down-ranked, as well as (potentially fraudulent) copyright and GDPR request.

There must be any number of "little guys" who hate the Internet Archive. They scrape copyrighted stuff and personal data "without consent" and even disregard robots.txt. Lemmy is full of people who think that people should go to jail for that sort of thing.

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago

Lots of grand conspiracy theories in this thread when, in the end, it's probably some bored script kiddy

[-] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 months ago

I doubt it. I'd sooner think it's a corporation or state actor.

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

How does taking the website down for a few hours help those people? Especially a state actor? If it was the US government or someone like them wouldn't they do something more permanent? Actually wipe the website?

[-] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 months ago

Some news source released something that got redacted based on government pressure. Archive made a snapshot of the news source. Now the state actor goes after the Archive to prevent time sensitive information from spreading. They benefit from the information not being widely available immediately.

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Oh....so what got released today?

[-] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 months ago

How would I know? The news source retracted their statement and archive.org is down...

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Up for me. It was down a few hours tops. And I remember checking it around the time you made that post as well?

[-] Beetlejuice001@lemmy.wtf -2 points 6 months ago

Israel attacking Palestine again possibly

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

What does knocking the website offline for a few hours do for their war?

[-] dogsnest@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

OwN tEh LiBs !!!

[-] Beetlejuice001@lemmy.wtf -3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Who knows, how in The world would I know

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

err....it was your suggestion?

[-] Beetlejuice001@lemmy.wtf -2 points 6 months ago

I offered a plausible explanation never did I suggest it was THE reason. Near zero chance we will ever know

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I just don't see how its plausible Israel wanted a website to go down for 2 hours to help them bomb Palestine

[-] Beetlejuice001@lemmy.wtf -2 points 6 months ago

Who knows, could be anyone for any reason

[-] dogsnest@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Aliens or illuminati, for sure.

[-] nl4real@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Is it still something you can do to big sites the way people did back in the 2000's?

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Yep but usually the worst case scenario is a few hours of downtime.

[-] stillitcomes@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

Oh that's true. I've seen a lot of cancel/call-out documents archived on IA, some of which were directed at children or had false accusations on them. It would be funny but not that surprising if all of this was over obscure Twitter drama.

[-] r3df0x@7.62x54r.ru 2 points 6 months ago

That's one of the problems with archiving everything. I lean in favor of the IA, but there are still issues.

[-] r3df0x@7.62x54r.ru 1 points 6 months ago

Can you elaborate on the last part?

TBH I can understand that it's a problem for people who aren't expecting it. If they disregard instructions not to index things then that's also a problem. The only real way to prevent scrapers from replicating content is to place it behind a registration wall.

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