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China using families as 'hostages' to quash dissent abroad
(www.bbc.co.uk)
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They're paid astroturfers and they don't belong on Lemmy. Why the server admins refuse to police them, I just don't know.
Wow, talk about conspiracy theories...
"Every person who doesn't participate in Sinophobi is paid off by the Chinese government"
Like, really? You actually believe that? Was 911 an inside job? How hot DOES jet fuel get??? Is Q-anon real? Is the earth flat?
If you've ever debunked a conspiracy theory, you should reconsider the idea that maybe, just maybe, not everyone hates China. It's probably more likely than you think..
Edit: And then they edited their comment to be more defensive instead. Perfect.
Me and the boys waiting for the ccp checks liberals said we were getting:
Imagine thinking there are paid astroturfers on a tiny niche platform with a few thousand users. We have some utterly insane people here after reddit migration.
Imagine thinking governments, fascists and PR agencies wouldn't migrate to wherever people choose to hang out and continue their decades-long campaign to brainwash people into believing whatever is convenient for them.
I see you don't understand the concept of niches. Governments, fascists, and PR agencies are going to spend their effort where it makes the most impact. Only a brainwashed person couldn't comprehend that people could legitimately disagree with their world view, and anybody who thinks different from them must therefore be a paid troll.
This you?
And now you're defending the practice.
How about, you and the rest of the dumbasses pushing your propaganda garbage go find another place to peddle it? Like hell?
The people you wish to dunk on built this platform. Feel free to leave...
How about you go fuck yourself instead? That's all you can do anyway. We're not going anywhere and we outnumber you.
Sounds like a threat. Fuck off.
Sounds like you need to get the last word to win something, and you'll prove that you need the last word by running your mouth again. Here, go ahead:
First, I will take the compliment with grace.
Second, this forum deserves a better class of communist. This shit is just intellectually lazy.
Most socialists are people in the global south. Their projects that "tankies" support are actually being done. Most of this "you're a tankie" shit stems from western chauvinist white man's burden shit. Call us when you've done a successful socialist revolution, until then we're going to be emulating the ideologies of successful socialist projects.
Edit: because lol "the US did a revolution" , read "the counter revolution of 1776"
So engaging in violence is the determining factor for determining who can have opinions?
That's great news, because Marx drew pretty heavily from the French and US revolutions when discussing his own revolutionary framework. Where do I pick up my badge?
Edit - Just do a revolution! No not that way!
No, you are free to engage in revolutionary violence that results in a socialist society with a communist ruling party or elect your way into a socialist society with a communist ruling party. Plenty of socialists did the latter, they just didn't live for long. If you do that I'll gladly listen to you.
Wow that kind of seems like a very narrow view of who can have a voice. It seems to exclude any socialist tradition which is skeptical of revolutionary praxis, or any statecraft which is not based on democratic centralism. Do I have that correct? You only find Orthodoxy and Leninism valid and are not interested in any forms of libertarian or democratic socialism?
Do you think only the successful revolutions have been orthodox marxist or orthodox ML?
You are free to follow the example of libertarian socialists and electoral socialists, but I'd prefer if you didn't get yourself killed. Why do you only like ideologies that aren't successful?
Who were you replying too? Lost? Got a bit overzealous with your keyboard warrior persona today?
Nah, this shit is broken on mobile and I can't see the context of my own comments for some reason. Sometimes when I hit context it shows me random comments under the same parent.
But bro you are on the same website having the same conversation I am lmao.
If you don't like it here then feel free to go somewhere else. Lemmy was a community of sane people who were capable of having civilized discussion, and then a bunch of reddit chuds flooded here and started acting like you own the place. Get over yourself.
Bahaha look at you. "Everyone who disagrees with me is a bootlicker/troll/westerner."
Edit for the bootlicking troll below: Ahem A straw man fallacy is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".
You don't understand what a straw man is.
You're really bad at this. You even tried to copy my comment and failed miserably! Congratulations, you're stupid in two languages!
Bahaha look at you using straw man to attack me. Thanks for providing a good example of the kind of trolling I'm talking about.
Can you provide even circumstantial evidence of people like myself being paid, or are you resorting to unhinged conspiracy theories to explain people vociferously disagreeing with you?
It literally wouldn't even matter, you'll just deny it and refuse to concede even the most minor of points because for you, debate is not a means to find truth, it's a power play. We've all seen it countless times. We know your game, your patterns of behavior, and since you do not want to play fairly because you'll know you'll lose, you don't get to play at all. You don't get to participate in discussions with us, especially not me. You're isolated to your cult now. I hope you find happiness in choosing genocide.
Pardon me, I thought you were responding to a different comment (I was replying in my inbox to many different disputes). Seeing the actual context, this is ridiculous. You accuse me of being a paid actor and then say that you have no reason to present evidence of the accusation?
Let us imagine that I was a paid actor and would behave exactly as you expect. Aren't there other people reading the conversation? Wouldn't it be worth proving to them that you aren't just going on paranoid rants because your ideology has no way to deal with the concept of westerners freely disagreeing with you on these issues?
There's no substance to this, you have no evidence and merely impugn my character.
Lemme invoice Xi real quick