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Wait, I thought it was bad to punish civilians for the actions of their government/military.
I fail to see the equivalency between "murder a bunch of people" and "a bunch of people are no longer allowed in a luxury resort".
False equivalencies seem to be the stock-in-trade of the anti-Palestinian trolls these days.
Imagine thinking I'm anti-Palestinian because I don't support a blanket ban on Israeli travel. The state of the "discourse" nowadays...
One small country in the middle of the ocean is a 'blanket ban on Israeli travel?'
Banning someone from your resort island is the same sort of punishment of civilians as killing them?
The state of discourse indeed...
No, but punishing population for the actions of their government is always bad, always unacceptable, and specially when the country isn't even democratic like Israel never was. For one thing - this ban does not only affect Israelis, but also 2 millions of Palestinians who live in Israel proper. Wikipedia - Demographics of Israel
And yet your post implied some sort of equivalency.
Also, I notice you didn't say anything about the "blanket ban" part.
Equivalency - I have to confess English isn't my first language and I am not sure I understand what you mean specifically/ in what context. Would you please care to explain?
As for the blanket ban - while it wasn't my comment, I don't find it unreasonable - how would you describe a rule advertised as punishing extremist Zionism that also punishes both post Zionists and anti Zionists all the same?
If the ban is on Israeli Nationality it only afects Israeli Jews as per the Israeli Constitution only Jews (in fact, any Jew no matter were born) have a right to Israeli Nationality.
If it's per Israeli Citizenship (which, in Israel - almost uniquelly in the World - is separate from Nationality), then you do have a point and even then, most Palestians born in the Occupied Territories (which include Jerusalem) do not have Israeli Citizenship as they have no natural right of birth to it and must apply, with most applications being denied.
That often used "there are 2 million Palestinians in Israel" cherry-picked piece of information (usually used to deny that Israel is an Appartheid state, so congrats for using it differently here) is nowhere near the full information and presented without the rest is deceitful as such presentation relies on people thinking it's like in their own country so "being a citizen in Israel must mean the same as my their own country" when in fact Israel is very, VERY special in that regard and segregates people by religion using that unique separation of Nationality and Citizenhip.
You haven't read the article. It says Israeli passport holders.
Can those who are not Israeli Nationals hold an Israeli Passport?
It actually is the same sort of punishment, yeah - the difference is one of degree. Kicking you in the shin once and punching you in the face fifty times are both "assault". It's concerning that most here don't understand that.
You still haven't addressed that 'blanket ban' thing you said. After lamenting the poor quality of discourse.
I like how you completely dodged what I just said. What is there to address about the blanket ban? A country is banning all travel from another country. It doesn't get more "blanket" than that.
Ah, and now the dishonesty. That is not what people mean when they say a blanket ban on travel and I'm sure you're not stupid, so you know that.
There's a reason that the AP article linked above doesn't use that term in this case.
I don't know, how about something like, "okay, I didn't mean 'blanket ban,' that was wrong of me."
But, of course, this is the internet and admitting your wrong is the worst thing ever, so I won't be holding my breath.
Haha what? They're banning all Israeli passport holders. Do you have some special definition of "blanket ban" that you manipulate to suit your purposes?
Called it.
Uhh yeah OK, congrats on winning this argument based on your made-up definition of "blanket ban". Go ahead and celebrate with Donald Trump, who wanted to enact the same against muslim-majority coountries.
What are you even talking about?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_travel_ban
You linked me to a page where the word 'blanket' is never used?
I mean you could have done a quick control-F like I did...
Here's one on the same topic with "blanket": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13769
What definition of "blanket ban" are you using here? This is a pretty good one, I think:
I think it's a little late to start to expect me to use your sources when you're so against admitting you're wrong that you couldn't even admit the fact that your link didn't actually support your claim.
Am I being pranked here? This conversation is absolutely bonkers.
Wow dude, you just keep saying dumb things
I fail to see the link between the people murdering Palestinians (The IDF) and the people no longer allowed in the Maldives (Civilians).
IMO the equivalency is in how you've chosen those individuals that don't deserve to live / that are no longer allowed to enter...
What about punishing civilians for the actions of civilians? Close to 10% of the population are illegal settlers, so it makes sense to target the class of people doing the illegal actions.
I would 100% support targeted bans/sanctions against illegal settlers.