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Solidarity denotes the unity and mutual support among individuals with shared objectives, crucial in protests for reinforcing collective resolve. Protests are strategically held in high-visibility, disruptive locations to maximize impact and draw public and institutional attention. This disruption compels acknowledgment of the issues, leveraging collective action to catalyze societal and political change. In contrast, low-visibility protests are often ineffective as they fail to generate sufficient public awareness or pressure for change.

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

Sure. That doesn't mean thinking about change will get anything done. Politely asking for change will not get it, never has.

[-] thefrankring@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago

Change your thinking -> Change your action -> Change the world

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago

We disagree on the "change the world" step significantly. I believe you have to do things to change the world, you believe thinking itself to change the world.

You're an idealist, a deeply unserious one at that.

[-] thefrankring@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago

No, I believe that by thinking differently, you can change the actions that you take.

By doing so, it changes the world.

How else can you change a behavior?

If you're an alcoholic and want to stop, the first step is to think about stoping and create an environement without alcohol. Then you take the actions.

If you want to do a protest, you first have to think about creating a protest in the world, then you take the necessary actions.

I believe this very seriously.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

You're completely missing the point. By your standard, the idea creates the change, asking the ruling class to be nicer creates change. This is nonsense.

Change comes from actions. A change in material conditions. Protesters get nothing from just being loud, they must actually be disruptive to force change.

[-] thefrankring@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

Forcing change is tyranical and will be short-lived.

Nobody likes being forced to do something. If you do, you will obviously meet resistance.

For any positive long-lasting effect, you must persuade the ruling class to be nicer.

Ideally, the idea should come from them. Not you.

Instead of forcing change, simply allow them to change by themselves.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

Forcing the ruling class is the only way to get them to change anything.

You cannot persuade the ruling class to be nicer. They will always act in their material interests, with no regard for morality.

You are nearly a solipsist.

[-] thefrankring@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

Maybe I am.

I think most people believe only hard power exists. Coercion. Force. Strength. Control. Etc.

I'm not denying it.

All I'm saying is that there is also power in patience, softness, morality, cooperation, etc.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

Virtues are nice, but they haven't succeeded in getting change. Disruption and disturbance have.

[-] thefrankring@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

I believe both can be useful in their own situations.

It seems to me that you have much to learn.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

We all do, yourself especially.

[-] thefrankring@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

Of course, I do have much things to learn.

But I've seen and dealt with people like you before.

Disruption. Change. Force. Chaos. Attention.

I get it.

I just don't feel I have much to learn here.

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