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42 Dems voted for this nonsense.
Let me tell you how absolutely "shocked" I am to see Wasserman Schultz on the list of dems that voted for this. /s
None of them from my state...cuz I live in mfing Utah and I'm sure the entire Congressional delegation would happily write messages on IGF bombs.
Vote Blue no matter who!
Probably still better than the fascist GOP alternatives though
True but it is sad that the only left leaning party (that can get elected at least) still has members and a president ok with what they are seeing.
For sure better than literal Nazis but we need to do better.
What good is there to voting blue when they, in turn, actually do support fascism? which is exactly what they did here
Maybe, but that argument is getting harder and harder for neoliberals to make as the DNC continues trying to court the far-right on things like immigration, genocide and corporate welfare. They've done such an incompetent job of protecting our most basic freedoms from fascists that it makes it hard to claim they aren't complicit.
Yet neither is worthy of support.
This attitude is why we keep getting pulled further to the right.
That’s literally what voting for the lesser of two evils does.
If you want to start moving to the left, you need to vote for a left wing party.
Splitting the vote isn't going to win you any elections.
Giving up the vote isn’t going to turn the country left.
Please name a left leaning party in the US that has a realistic chance of beating Trump and I'll vote for them
You have none.
And you will continue to never have one if every leftist blindly votes for the Dems.
Or vote farther left in the primaries, dragging the dems left kicking and screaming
If you say that as a US resident, you either don’t understand how our electoral system works, or you’re trying to push some fifth column bullshit.
Your electoral system will not magically change and improve.
Please by all means keep doing the same thing you’ve always done, it’s not like America is one of the most right wing countries in the world and shifts further right each year regardless of who is in charge.
Ah yes the non Fascist Democrats sanctioning the ICC.
Slightly more "moderate" Fascists are Fascists as well.
Democrats are more right wing than 2016 Republicans right now. It's time to abandon this myth that voting for them is somehow going to fix anything.
Lmaoo. What a disingenuous argument.
Bro we're just sanctioning the ICC for proscecuting war criminals. We're abusing presidential powers to ship weapons used to commit Genocide and also abuse those power to bypass congress the same way Trump did. Just abusing presidential powers to implement illegal border policies. Bro stop nitpicking you only mentioned like 5 things you can't even mention 6 things bro.
Not a fan of Biden, but he’s not the one shipping the weapon’s. Congress approved that, he held it back for a little until Congress started working toward a bill to force him to ship them and he relented. Should have stuck to his guns, imho and let them pass the bill to overrule him so it’d look bad on Congress for doing it, but the sad thing is that he’d just look like he was in the way of what a large portion of the country apparently wants. The GOP is all about being on Israel’s side.
The president doesn’t have as much power as people think he does.
Let's ignore the multiple times he's bypassed Congress to ship weapons. Israel is getting the stooge they've paid $12m for
The president has more power than you think he does. And Biden made sure to abuse it for Fascist policies
We even have Biden going full Trump mode just yesterday:
But when Biden does the things we were in shambles about when Trump did them, it's okay right?
Aside from a few blind idiots I think most people are seeing those things and saying "wow Biden REALLY wants to lose huh...
Biden is just starting the car for Trump and making sure the Fascism engine is running smoothly before Orange Man even sits down in the driver seat.
The time to fix that is before and during the primaries. When you're in the booth with a choice between a Democrat and a Republican, the choice should be obvious
You keep using the word fascist but I don't think you understand what it means... The fact that this was voted on and the party was divided is proof that it isn't fascism
Hmm, it sounds like you don't understand the term fascism.
So you've got people from the same party voting differently, they aren't getting suppressed, they're often voting against what their president would favour... Man, sure sounds like fascism to me!
Using the outcome of one vote as to substantiate a lack of fascism is akin to taking a glass of water from the ocean and affirming that the ocean is devoid of life.
So you are saying that if I find votes the republicans are divided on you magically have a point? Why is the party not voting as a party to begin with? Does this mean that some Democrats are actually Republicans if it's not convenient?
We just went from a 2 party to a 1.5 party system in order to deny the Democrats are getting in line to pass this highly Fascist law to sanction the ICC for proscecuting war criminals.
Tell me what was the point of voting Democrat instead of Republican again? To prevent literally this right?
So you want the party to vote as a block no matter what? And you're complaining about fascism? Do you realize how ridiculous that is?
Okay so fascism is when the Republicans vote the same.
Now I pull up this article and you say the Republicans are not fascists right?
When it comes to Democrats doing the Fascist thing suddenly people slap on all these interesting requirements for it to be Fascism. When Trump did a Muslim ban it was super duper Fascism instantly. Selling weapons to Saudi for the Genocide of Yemenis? Omega Fascism! Biden uses the same powers to support GENOCIDE but suddenly it doesn't count because the sun and the moon aren't aligned in June and the grass on my lawn grows a little faster than usual.
You were talking about the fascist Democrats, remember? It's not requirements, it's what fascism is, an authoritarian regime under the control of a single person.
You were saying that republicans voting the same is what makes them Fascist.
People were calling 2016 Trump a Fascist. Not that doesn't count we're going for the plan2025 meme where unlike 2016 this time the Republicans will actually do all their evil plans which they totally couldn't do in 2016.
Because not having to care about reelection has never impacted any presidency
You're presenting a graph on how the house voted on grounding MTG's attempt to oust Johnson as speaker.
Present the graph on how the house voted regarding the ICC.
Oh Fascism only applies to current day vote and if current day vote is Republicans. Not yesterday vote. My bad.
Yes. By all means primary one of those democrats who voted for this out if you can, but if you got to the general election and the choice was between a pro Israel Republican and pro Israel Democrat, it would still be way better to pick the dem.
100% of house Republicans voted for this, while only 20% of house Democrats did. Right now the Republicans control what bills come to the floor for a vote since they have a majority. If Democrats had the majority and controlled the speakership, this bill never would have even come up for a vote in the first place since so few in their caucus support it overall. A pro Israel dem is not ideal, but at least helps ensure the 100% pro Israel (and a bajillion other reasons for being horrible besides this issue) Republicans don't control the agenda for what bills come up in the house and senate.
Big if, in some cases. My aye-affirming rep ran unopposed in this primary, and I can't remember the last time there was a challenger. For my part I did a write in vote, but seeing as his big brother has a stranglehold on a LOT of business/politics/douchebaggery in the state, I don't see this changing any time soon.
It makes more sense to resist oppressors at all costs.
Seems idiotic to pretend you are resisting when the cost is assisting the oppressors to gain more power.
I think you skipped US Government 101. In this country, if you're not voting blue, you're voting red.
I think you skipped reality 404. If you keep supporting right wing parties, you enable the right.