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Yeah, goblin slayer is too tough a subject for anime fans. They as a rule don't have the artistic literary to not have the worst takes about it. I know my takes are awful about it.
The problem is when a show is good in a number of ways people switch their brains off to criticism unless the criticism is so blatantly obvious that it can't be ignored. You can see this with Attack on Titan which they generally accept deserves criticism for its blatantly fascist message. Since the issues with Goblin Slayer are hidden within the art and framework rather than the explicit point of the story this gets lost on them.
I just like the show about a guy who fights to protect the poor people the government ignores because it is the right thing to do. Then everyone sees how cool he is for doing that and become his friends.
Yeah and that's ok. It's the framework and everything around it that is sus. Ranging from the idyllic towns and villages that basically all look like Hitler paintings, to the obvious depiction of women in the show (other than the elf) as tradwives, not to mention the obvious "we must perform genocide" aspect of the goblin menace. Yes the goblin menace might actually be evil but that doesn't mean it's not a standin for a certain message, which becomes clearer when you take into account the artistic elements. All the features of fashy shit are there and ooooooo boy does its community and "fanart" audience love SA.
I feel like being fash and enjoying sexual violence is the background radiation of anime in general though.
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For real. The only shows I've seen that meet those criteria are things I intentionally hate watched like Cross Ange lol
I feel like most mainstream stuff. Think about the trope of the fall into chest stuff. That is like ever classic anime you know?
here's some great anime that neither enjoy sexual violence nor fascism. there's plenty more out there, sex pest stuff is hardly "every classic anime". some of these may have some in it but they certainly aren't enjoying it
also it's real fucking gross to say "a poor taste joke is exactly the same as on screen sexual assault with deeply fash vibes" there's a big difference between urusei yatsura and goblin slayer
Goku does some unfortune things but because it is always played for comedy people don't think about it.
you'll notice i didn't include dragon ball on the list of anime that didn't have sex pest stuff or fascism! and again, there's a big difference between dragon ball and goblin slayer
you're basically saying "all 80s movies love sexual assault, so it's fine that i like revenge of the nerds," and when i respond with a list of 80s movies that don't have any sexual assault or harrassment in them you say "well have you seen how han treats leia in star wars?" those are two very different things! both are bad, but they are at very different levels of it
wait you think people dislike goblin slayer BECAUSE it shows sexual violence as bad? you think the people who dislike goblin slayer are sitting around going "oh if only there were more wacky sexual harassment i might like this show"?
the problem with goblin slayer is that it shows the sexual violence in a way where it clearly expects the audience to be jacking off and there is no amount of arcs where characters process trauma that will undo that. your standard anime shittiness simply does not compare
Ehh, the first scene of the first episode is questionable. It is 50/50 among reviews if it is done well. Clearly not perfect or the discourse wouldn't exist. SAO was contemporary had more violence of that nature. It was clearly ment to be fun in that show and people do not give it the same level of hate. There is a charitable reading of the work that sees the author ment to say sexual violence was bad. Which is far enough from mainstream anime opinion that I think people have trouble processing it.
i have to ask again, you think the problem people have with it is that it says sexual violence is bad? you think that's why people dislike it?
the sexual violence in sao is also supposed to be bad! they kill the guy who does it! that doesn't excuse the framing, it's still a bad show that handles its sexual assault poorly, but framing sexual violence for titillation is so often combined with setting up a villain and showing just how evil he is. it shows up all the fuckign time, including in series i otherwise love. goblin slayer is worse than most in that it spends more time on it and it's way more explicit than it usually is, and it's the first impression the show gives you
Yes. You rember the movie irreversible? It had pretty much the exact same discourse. The goal was to make a scene impossible to enjoy. However the nature of film is that is hard to do. We have hentai. We know what it looks like when that kinda thing is made to be enjoyed. It doesn't look like that. Obviously the execution was lacking or we wouldn't be having this conversation. I think the average anime fan's take on this is based on their discomfort with the scene and transferring their negative emotions to the show. Which is not completely invalid. I do not think the work deserves the work of getting past that. It never really earns the payoff for setting that scene up. However for the rest of the 23 episodes I think the show works in ways that are really dissimilar to other anime and is artistically interesting. If there was a recut that handles that first scene as they do it the rest of the work I think the reception would be entirely different.
However no, the sexual violence in SAO is supposed to be enjoyed. Some as titillating, and some as cathartic. In GS it is supposed to be grimdark and impossible to get catharsis from. The work doesn't accomplish it's goals fully. It comes enough to be interesting though I think
Hold on, it's been a long time since I watched the SAO anime and I never watched past the first two arcs. But I've read every SAO light novel that is translated to English, and I'm pretty sure there are like maybe 3 or 4 total instances of attempted sexual violence in the entire thing, and none of them actually get anywhere.
I guess it depends where you draw the line. I am calling female characters being non-consentually posed at the camera by tentacles sexual violence
Huh. I guess the anime must have really deviated from the books lol
Not that the books are good, they just don't have very many instances of that particular flavor of bullshit
Certainly for a certain strain of anime.