Update:
The comments from this post will not be removed as to preserve the discussion around the announcement. Any continued discussions outside of this thread that violate server rules will be removed. We feel that everyone that has an opinion, and wanted to vent, has been heard.
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Original post:
Yesterday, we received information about the planned federation by Hexbear. The announcement thread can be found here: https://www.hexbear.net/post/280770. After reviewing the thread and the comments, it became evident that allowing Hexbear to federate would violate our rules.
Our code of conduct and server rules can be found here.
The announcement included several concerning statements, as highlighted below:
- “Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated.”
- “The West's role in the world, through organizations such as NATO, the IMF, and the World Bank - among many others - are deeply harmful to the billions of people living both inside and outside of their imperial core.”
- “These organizations constitute the modern imperial order, with the United States at its heart - we are not fooled by the term "rules-based international order." It is in the Left's interest for these organizations to be demolished. When and how this will occur, and what precisely comes after, is the cause of great debate and discussion on this site, but it is necessary for a better world.”
The rhetoric and goal of Hexbar are clear based on their announcement: to "dismantle western propaganda" and "demolish organizations such as NATO” shows that Hexbar has no intention of "respecting the rules of the community instance in which they are posting/commenting.” It’s to push their beliefs and ideology.
In addition, several comments from a Hexbear admin, demonstrate that instance rules will not be respected.
Here are some examples:
“I can assure you there will be no lemmygrad brigades, that energy would be better funneled into the current war against liberalism on the wider fediverse.”
“All loyal, honest, active and upright Communists must unite to oppose the liberal tendencies shown by certain people among us, and set them on the right path. This is one of the tasks on our ideological front.”
- https://lemmy.world/comment/121850
- https://lemmy.world/comment/1487168
- https://lemmy.world/comment/1476084
- https://lemmy.world/comment/171595
- https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3648500
Overall community comments:
- https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526128
- https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526086
- https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3652828
To clarify, for those who have inquired about why Hexbear versus Lemmygrad, it should be noted that we are currently exploring the possibility of defederating from Lemmygrad as well based on similar comments Hexbear has made.
- https://lemmygrad.ml/post/158656
- https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/882559
- https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/540170
- https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/446529
Defederation should only be considered as a last resort. However, based on their comments and behavior, no positive outcomes can be expected.
We made the decision to preemptively defederate from Hexbear for these reasons. While we understand that not everyone may agree with our decision, we believe it is important to prioritize the best interests of our community.
Loving all the hexbear alt-accounts in the comments here ❤
Btw, if people didnt understand this. I AM being ironical...
we'd use our mains if we were allowed ❤
Their instance encourages vote brigading and content manipulation tactics. One of the real reasons for the defederation, unlike all of the strawmen or red herrings they're peddling here.
Vote brigading? Hexbear doesn't even HAVE a downvote button.
Yep, if people were reading this through hexbear, they wouldn't even be able to down vote you. Now they just have to do it through their startrek.website accounts.
It's already possible, I had it happen to me, and people on unrelated communities (LotR etc) were replying to me asking why my post and comment got ranked down. This is clearly a lemmy problem, not a hexbear one. And by increasing division we're going to legitimise infantile behaviour like that.
Yep, especially when they explicitly start doing the exact shit that the admins expected them to.
Claim: “We’re just a place to talk about leftist ideals”
Reality: vote brigading, blaming the west for Russia invading Ukraine, “China supreme number 1, super peaceful”
There’s “Western propaganda is wrong” and then there’s “any anti-western propaganda is explicitly correct because it is anti-western”
Hexbear doesn't even have downvotes to protect trans users from downvote brigades (and they banned the downvoters)
Everyone remember, those defending pseudo-leftism are paid by China and Russia
You would have to be paranoid to the point of insanity to believe that socialists are secretly in the pay of China and Russia. Yet this is what will pass for acceptable centrism on lemmy.world, while socialist critiques are deemed extremist and too dangerous to allow.
Just shows how uninformed this people are.
Not being able to see that most of the world hates white western countries is just showing they don't know history.
They think people in Africa are stupid for taking Chines loans, but don't stop and think "Why they don't take our loans which are much better? Maybe our loans are worse???". And probably think colonialism was good froor India and Africa.
"We just dropped a bomb on you, how come you don't like us?😭"
Pointing that out makes you fake putin-supporting-leftist paid by russia and china... lol 😂. Is there anyone thinking Putin is left? Or communist?
The best part is that when MLs argue on here, they try to rely on western, liberal sources.
(Note: by liberal I mean pro-capitalist, as in, in the tradition of Smith, Rawls, Bentham, Mill, Hayek, Mises, etc, etc. I'm not talking about the US distinction where the only liberals are the ones with 'moderate' politics.)
Feels like it, lol.
"Everyone who believes X is a paid shill or a bot"
Unhinged