New Polling Shows Significant Ukrainian Support for Diplomacy to End the War (www.thenation.com)

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[-] Skua@kbin.earth 7 points 2 years ago

That's a hard shift from "Russia is being diplomatic" to "Russia can just take what it wants"

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago

Russia is being diplomatic, but if nobody wants to do diplomacy on the other end then they're obviously going to take what they want by force at that point. Not sure what's so hard to understand here.

[-] Skua@kbin.earth 5 points 2 years ago

It's not meaningful diplomacy to say "give us everything we want or we will take everything we want"

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Yeah it is when you are in a position of power. This is precisely how NATO has been conducting diplomacy with Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

[-] Skua@kbin.earth 3 points 2 years ago

Oh right, so do you consider America's behaviour towards Afghanistan diplomatic then?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

I'm just explaining to you how the real world works here. That said, Russia gave Ukraine way more chances than US gave any of the countries it invaded.

[-] Skua@kbin.earth 3 points 2 years ago

You said Russia was being diplomatic. Nobody is arguing that powerful countries are often cruel. So again, if this is Russia's diplomacy towards Ukraine, do you agree that America was diplomatic towards Afghanistan?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

War is an extension of diplomacy. The difference is that Russia is actually offering terms to Ukraine where US did not https://oll.libertyfund.org/pages/clausewitz-war-as-politics-by-other-means