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[-] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Switzerland has:

  • the lowest amount of area per km of track, except for micro nations
  • a fairly low amount of population per km of track - among the top 10 if population density is considered
  • lost less than 10% of tracks since its historical peak
  • a majority nationalized rail network
  • (as you mentioned) a fully electrified network

While I haven't travelled in Japan by rail (or any other mode), I have been to Switzerland. From what I've heard, in Japan there are many smaller local stations, where an ancient train arrives a few times a day.

Whereas in Switzerland, it seems like nearly every local station has at least one train per hour.

[-] Cosmos7349@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It is true that in Japan there are many local stations that only arrive a few times a day, but I've found that this is generally for places that are very low traffic; ala middle of nowhere Fukushima countryside train. I'm usually more surpised the train system even goes there than I am surprised by the frequency. For pretty much anywhere you'd expect local trains to exist, they're usually very good. Not trying to compare countries or anything (I've never been to Switzerland). Just describing my experience in Japan (not expert; only lived there ~6mo)

[-] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

But Switzerland has these tiny local stations too.

For example, this one:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alp_Gr%C3%BCm_railway_station

It's a tiny station with 440 passengers per weekday - yet it seems that two train lines, one of which is hourly stop there. Most of the passengers are likely commuters, so the bulk of all passengers will be during morning and evening rush hour. Outside these hours, hardly anyone uses this station I believe - yet trains still stop there.

(Note: I have just searched for "Least used train stations Switzerland" and picked a random result, this might be an exception. But it goes to show that stations with few passengers still get a lot of connections.)

[-] Cosmos7349@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

As I said, I'm not trying to compare or enter a discussion about what system is better, since I've never been to Switzerland. I like it when places have good trains, and it sounds like both places have that. So that's good enough for me. I was just replying to give you a better idea of what it's like in Japan.

[-] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 4 months ago

Yeah fair enough. Japan has great rail, I'm just frustrated that prestige projects like HSR seem to be everyone's focus.

HSR is important, but local trains and freight trains are equally as important even though they get much less attention.

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