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That doesn't make it private. Privacy on the modern web requires anti-fingerprinting, otherwise any website with tracking scripts can easily start creating a shadow profile for you.
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What I mean is it isn't a browser anyone who cares about their privacy should use (yet or every depending on development). Not close to ready yet. OP didnt put any context either for why they posted it.
Come back in 10 years
fingerprinting won't be useful if every browser has google telemetry
Firefox and chromium are open source. You can just remove mozilla and google telemetry during compile, or disable in the settings.
Fingerprint is 100% still useful even with telemetry. This is not a privacy browser and is still in early stages, volatile and easy to fingerprint (not even counting it is a different web engine and so has an even smaller userbase than Firefox). Also, a content blocker is good for cyber security, so regardless of fingerprinting, this is not ready for privacy-conscious people.
I made my original comment to add context about why this browser shouldnt be used if you care about privacy. If OP had said "this is a promising new independent player in the browser world, look forward to seeing what they do in the future when its more stable" I wouldnt have said anything.
no you can't if the entire web runs on a whitelist system that requires the google telemetry, like what google is trying to do with shit like web integrity. you need a sizeable independent browser so that google isn't 70% of the market share like it is now. obvs you can't trust apple to do this because safari is a piece of shit and people only use it because it's the only option, and they'd obviously follow google if it meant more profit. mozilla might do something about it, but their funding is pretty sus.
i understand ladybird isn't good for privacy at the moment, but we're gonna really need it for privacy in the future
The only reason Firefox still has any market share is probably because it is old enough. I highly doubt this browser will ever stop google forcing a new web standard. We need to educate the general users to make better tech decisions if we want change. We can stay hopeful about this engine. Still would have liked it if servo was getting more development.
I'm very doubtful that educating general users will work, unless they're being educated by people they really trust like family members. whatever they're educated on will be wiped off by companies like google running a giant advertisement campaign or some subconscious annoyance that makes free software projects seem bad (things like what yt is doing with adblocking and stuttering)
Yes, by educating I mostly mean word of mouth. But also sharing of user friendly guides like PrivacyGuides. An alternative browser can only disrupt Google's control on the web by gaining significant market share, which requires convincing and converting users to the better software alternatives to Chromium. We must educate because we are the tech educated minority, and we require the assistance of the majority to oppose googles unilateral control. I think Gecko is a better option to put development time behind (or better yet Servo), or abandoning many of the privacy invasive web standards and creating a new internet (which of course would never see wide use).
TLDR: We need the majority to be more educated about tech or things will keep getting worse regardless of a new browser engine or anything else.
I agree, though I tried out Servo and Ladybird yesterday, and Ladybird seems much more complete although Servo was much more performant. Maybe Servo is more complete in the background, but Ladybird seems more complete from my eyes as a naive outsider.