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Three possibilities come to mind:

Is there an evolutionary purpose?

Does it arise as a consequence of our mental activities, a sort of side effect of our thinking?

Is it given a priori (something we have to think in order to think at all)?

EDIT: Thanks for all the responses! Just one thing I saw come up a few times I'd like to address: a lot of people are asking 'Why assume this?' The answer is: it's purely rhetorical! That said, I'm happy with a well thought-out 'I dispute the premiss' answer.

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[-] Delta_V@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago

There was a relevant post on Lemmy the other day:

The origin and nature of existence is an epistemological black hole that some people like to plug with "a ~~wizard~~ god did it".

The sensation of free will is an emergent property of a lack of awareness of the big stuff, the small stuff, the long stuff, and the short stuff.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I like to look at the illusion of free will as if you're falling down a pit. You can try to flap your arms or swim, and maybe move yourself a little bit, but at the end, you're still falling down.

Warning, I came up with this while very high one time, lol, but it's kind of stuck with me:

Consciousness is a 4-dimensional construct living in a 3-dimensional world. What we experience as the passage of time is just our consciousness traveling/falling along the surface of the 4-dimensional plane/shape that defines our existence.

Feel free to poke all the holes you want in that. lol

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago

There is an old Taoist story about two people floating down a river. One has already decided where he wants the river to take him and is constantly swimming against the current to try to get there, the other just floats along taking in the sights.

They both end up wherever the river takes them, and they both went through the same obstacles and rapids, but when asked how the trip was, one of them is complaining about the whole trip being frustrating and exhausting, while the other had a pleasant time and tells you all about the amazing things they saw on the way.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 11 points 4 months ago

I love that!

Really illustrates the saying, "go with the flow," too.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

This is basically a spacetime worldline, which is one of those terms that sounds like scifi technobabble even though it's an actual concept

[-] makyo@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Couldn't it also be argued that our lack of awareness of the big stuff also leaves open the possibility of free will?

[-] Delta_V@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

On a sufficiently large billiards table, it does become hard to prove that some balls don't spontaneously sink themselves.

[-] makyo@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

That is a clever point but I think it also overly simplifies the nature of reality to such a point that it's not likely to change any minds.

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