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[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 18 points 2 years ago

Name one candidate that doesn't support Israel?

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago
[-] TrashGoblin@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago

PSL candidates are on the ballot in my Republican state for the first time this year - via another (local) party.

[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

Hmm I'll have to read up on her, I don't recognize the name. But again, without RCV or some other method, none of these candidates stand an honest chance of being elected. We're stuck with two-party for now, and all the shit it brings.

[-] Rom@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago

So aside from armed revolution, what other options do we have for improving things?

[-] sub_ubi@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago

Bush and Reagan were able to successfully pressure Israel despite both supporting the occupation.

Biden is a lifelong Zionist ideologue.

[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz -5 points 2 years ago

Biden has been putting some pressure on them as well, although it's still too little. Maybe if he wins we'll see him make real policy changes, but yeah it's not very likely.

[-] sub_ubi@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago

Beyond words that are "leaked" to the press, what exact pressure has Biden put on Israel?

[-] Chump@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

Putting pressure on them how? From what I can tell, they're getting all the material support they always have

[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz -4 points 2 years ago

I heard something in June about him trying to set up a cease-fire to arrange a truce, but it seemed like a low-effort attempt that never went anywhere. That's probably the best we'll get out of him, unfortunately.

[-] underisk@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago

they've pulled that several times and they were never serious attempts. the key sticking point is always that Hamas wants a permanent ceasefire and Israel insists that it gets the prerogative to start shooting again when they feel like it. he's never put any real pressure on Israel to agree to anything less; the weapons and money flow unconditionally.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

Biden has been putting some pressure on them

doubt

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

Jill Stein, who Zionists predictably label a “self-hating Jew.”

[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 5 points 2 years ago

If we could get some kind of ranked-choice voting in place then a 3rd-party candidate would have a legitimate chance here. Unfortunately there's too much FUD about RCV making your vote "not count". I'm in Colorado and it looks like we have a real chance of implementing something in the next few years, so I'm crossing my fingers...

[-] Cube6392@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago

JESUS CHRIST that shit frustrates me so much. First past the post is the very best way to make sure no ones votes count. There are way better systems than ranked choice voting, but if we can't even get that much done, of course were not going to ask for those. All we are asking is to move off the very worst voting system there is

Head for the extreme northwest and northeast corners of the country; Alaska and Maine both use RCV, including for presidential elections. It's not 50 states of RCV but it's a start!

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Chase Oliver, and he's probably on the ballot in your state already.

[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 2 points 2 years ago

Our primary didn't include any presidential candidates for some reason, so I'll have to wait until November to see.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Well, the Libertarian Party (Chase Oliver's party) doesn't run a primary, it runs a national caucus. He was selected as the nominee by delegates, and if you felt so inclined, you could help choose your local delegates (or become one yourself).

Jill Stein also seems to be in favor of peace in Gaza, so she's an option as well, though she likely has less ballot access (we'll see come November).

[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 3 points 2 years ago

I'm not certain, but I think I've seen Stein on the ballot before. We usually have a pretty good list of all parties on the November ballots.

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