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Bush full of birds, but our hands are still empty...
Biden had four fucking years to do something, half of that time Dems controlled both House and Senate.
But he doesn't start talking about it till right before the election as a promise for something he'll "look into" in January
Dems controlled the Senate with the slimmest majority possible. One fucker that owns a coal company was able to tank all meaningful climate bills and there was nothing Biden or anyone else could do about it. You can forget about any progressive policies in that environment, lol. Biden did well with the tools he was given.
And four years ago Biden wouldnt shut up about how only he could work with a Republican Senate.
Long before we dreamed if 50 seats.
As soon as that was on the table, it switched to 50 accomplishes everything. And almost immediately after we got that. Biden said it wasn't enough
Three big goalpost moves in like 6 months, that shit is noticable to voters and some can remember the last election, and not take Biden on his word again.
You’re supposed to be angry at the people preventing progress, not the people trying to create progress.
Promising progress and intentionally not fulfilling the promise is, indeed, preventing progress. Of course the R's are awful. The D's are also shitty and I hold them to a higher standard.
Tag his username, he's usually like this
This is like saying we can't criticize the police because criminals are worse...
I love how people blame Biden for shit the racist rapist with 34 felonies did. The amount of mental gymnastics that requires is amazing. Unless you're not a real person and at this point, I kinda hope you're not.
Bruh....
How is it you read something like:
And your take away
Seriously, what steps of logic did you get to thinking I'm a trump supporter?
It's 2024, you can't imagine someone doesn't like Biden but hates trump?
What in the hell are you talking about? Did you respond to the wrong person because you're quoting shit that wasn't in what I replied to. You broken?
I mean, I thought the "like" was a clear signal I was paraphrasing...
But overestimating people is a flaw I openly admit
Biden has been successful at getting bipartisan legislation passed over the last few years. That doesn't mean that everything can be done. It horse shit that you think that because he wasn't able to convince any Republicans and lost a turn coat and coal barron that it's his fault, or that he mislead with his "working across the aisle" comments.
To address one of your other comments, this shit is the reason people might believe your a Trump supporter. The same shit rhetoric day in and day out. There's being critical and there's being beneficial to Trump. You frequently sit on the Trump benefits side of comments.
Not sure why you're getting negative votes. You're right. But Dems still haven't learned that the days of working across party lines is a dream from a bygone era.
Old man dreams.
You can't even get moderates to understand if the best we can do is a tie, it's harder to even manage that.
Anyone that can look at the last 16 years of the party and say with a straight face we're making the right moves isn't worth listening to.
There is absolutely zero benefit to running Hillary/Biden types rather than an Obama type
It's very disingenuous to say the Democratic party controlled the Senate while having the House majority. The Senate was 48 Democratic, 2 Independents who caucused with the Democratic Senators, and 50 Republicans with the VP casting tie-breakong votes. Very little legislation could be passed because of the filibuster, which needed 51 votes to reform and both Machines and Lineman stating they absolutely would not go along with that. The Senate could approve most nominees, and pass reconciliation (ie 3 types of budget-related bills) once a year. They had no path the expand the court or codify Roe or anything like that with the "majority" they had. We need either 51 Senators who will amend the filibuster (or get rid of it) or 61 Senators to overcome the filibuster to really have the ability to get anything substantial done.
Then why was Biden saying he could work with a Republican controlled Senate 4 years ago?
Why say that the Georgia runoffs would get the whole platform?
What number do we need for any current campaign promises to come true? And if the deciding factor is House and Senate, shouldn't we do ch Biden for a candidate that would help down allot races?
Probably because he did have a history of bipartisan work as a Senator.
In 2020? We didn't know yet that Sinema would do a 180 after being elected or that Manchin would be such a dick.
I already addressed that.
Anybody who supports the Democratic platform relative to the Republican platform and says they won't vote if Biden is on the ticket is, quite simply, failing our society most egregiously. Protest voting does nothing but lose.
Historically, a contested convention or not running the incumbent is a losing proposition. But I don't care who the Democratic party nominates in this election, I will vote for them up and down the ballot. The presidential nominees are going to be shitty until we can collectively get our heads out of our asses and turn up it overwhelming numbers in the primaries to get progressives in state legislatures to overhaul our election process. It will take a constitutional amendment to unshitify the presidential election.
Oh ok...
So despite Biden spending 8 years in Obama's White House and getting a literal front row seat...
Biden was just too stupid to realize shit changed?
Or you think he knew and intentionally lied about it in that primary so he'd be the candidate even tho he knew the only reason to go with him was bullshit?
Like, you get that's where your logic leads right?
Biden is either:
Neither of those options makes people energized to vote for him again, and this election is too important to risk Joe.
My dude, Biden has had more bipartisan success than Obama did. So I really don't think you have a winning point here.
No, but I get that it's where you insist on taking it.
You have it wrong, this election is too important to risk not voting Democratic regardless if it is Joe. O will vote blue regardless. Will you?
There are 10s of millions of voters Biden needs to convince, and every indication is he's not going to be able to convince enough, especially not the tens of thousands up for grabs in battleground states.
It's easier to switch out Biden while there's still time than to convince all those people.
You're worried about forcing everyone into making a smart decision. We're talking about the American public here. We don't have a good track record with that.
So rather than gamble on the intelligence of the American public, why not give them a better candidate?
What's the benefit of sticking with Biden? How many people already willing to vote for Biden isn't voting D regardless of candidate?
You're right that everyone should vote Biden.
But that doesn't matter. The American public does the wrong thing almost constantly, have you been in public lately?
What you don't seem to be understanding is that I'm not arguing for Biden being the nominee. I'm arguing against not voting Democratic in the event the Biden is the nominee:
I'm not objecting to people asking for a better candidate. I'm concerned that those people will fuck over the rest of the country and not vote Democratic if they don't get one.
To who?
Who are you arguing against?
No one that's here...
I'm arguing with you, because you're out here misplacing blame on Biden for things that are under the purview of Congress and declaring that the Democrats will lose even the down-ballot races if he's the nominee. If you're going to vote Democratic regardless who the nominee is, then please make that statement alongside everything else you're stating. Otherwise you sound like you're going to protest vote if Biden is the nominee.
For something I never said...
This isnt the first you've done it either, I don't think it'll magically become productive. Have a nice life
Dems didn't control both the house and the senate soo... Thats why Dems haven't been able to pass as many things as they would like.
Yeah, seriously considering, so nothing is going to happen. Words mean nothing without action.
Yeah, would have loved to see action before now. Still, what specific steps would you rather see this moment?
At least he's talking about it and maybe giving people hope that things could settle the fuck down. Lot of people probably voting against Trump, but would help to have more reasons to vote for Biden
Democrats should quit waiting until they can't do shit to suggest doing it.
That's their whole strategy. If they suggest doing shit when they still had time to do anything, they might feel pressured by the populace to do something, and that would upset their owners.
So noble to bring up things the country desperately needs and he has no intention of working towards
Shits too bad to keep wasting Dem administrations on neoliberals
What specific steps would you like to see Biden take right now?
Use the powers granted to him as president of the United States...
He can just fucking arrest Clarence for acts against the US government and throw his ass in Gitmo
What's the reason not to? You one of those people that think Republicans are holding back so if we fight back they're fight even harder?
They been fighting as hard as they can for decades. And Trump will use every power granted to him (and some that aren't) if he's president.
You don't fight fascism with both hands tied behind your back unless you're not worried about fascism winning...
What was that Biden quote about if he loses the election?