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I don't know if you have read Marx's Critique of the Gotha Programme, but if not I want to quote this part that feels relevant to what your saying. Mainly just that even under a socialist state, the value produced by the worker isn't gonna 100% belong to them.
Critique of the Gotha Programme
A single worker doesn't produce 100% of the value, but 100% of the value is produced by the workers and 0% by the investors
I think you're missing my point. I'm not arguing value isn't produced by the workers. I'm more saying if you think that surplus value is gonna go back into the workers that made it, that not entirely correct. Since as Marx points out, there would be deductions made and such like for the total working class, but someone making surplus-value isn't gonna get 100% of it back. Also to point something else out. Nature is a source of value to just as much as labor is.
Sorry, reading back my reply it sounds way more antagonistic than I intended
I agree with everything you said, my point was just that the current investment market is not the same as paying back a portion of the value you produce
Okay, sorry for being aggressive and yea it def. isn't the same