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Bullshit. I haven't spoken to a single person who wants Biden to withdraw. Everybody I've spoken to wishes he could, but everybody acknowledges that he's our best last hope.
Bro, it’s a poll. They asked however many people. Your anecdotes don’t invalidate the poll.
A poll is not inherently reliable because it's a poll. Describe to me why it's reliable and maybe I'll give a shit. But right now it's just my anecdote versus theirs.
No, it's your anecdote vs their polling data.
If you have problems with the data, then articulate them.
If you find your personal anecdote to be more useful than data, you are free to disregard it. Republicans always do.
The plural anecdotal is not evidence.
Echo chamber much?
Conversely, I don't have a single left leaning friend that wants to vote for Biden.
What do you mean conversely? I clearly stated that everybody I've spoken to would wish they had somebody better to vote for. Nobody wants to vote for Biden, but they will because it's their best option. Wanting to vote for Biden and acknowledging that Biden is the best option currently available are not two mutually exclusive things.
I was addressing your don't want him to withdraw part. Everyone I know wants him to.
Where do you live?
Milwaukee
Well that's interesting and encouraging (I think). I'm in NC and my experience is exactly the opposite, but your vote is more important than mine.
It makes bile rise in my mouth, but Harris might be our best hope at this point.
Ain't no way I'm betting money on the black woman who put away people for weed against the 80 year old white guy who's forgiving student loan debt right now. Yes, we have to choose between a shit sandwich and a douche. But in this situation, the douche is trying to bring about fascism and the shit sandwich is A little forgetful with names, but has been undeniably killing it with progressive policies.
Man, people don't give a fuck about past successes and accomplishments. If they did, Trump would never have gained enough swing voters to squeeze out a win in 2016. We have to accept that campaigns are a matter of narratives, and Harris is well-placed as sitting VP to claim credit/association for Biden's successes while distancing herself from the parts of the narrative that have become disadvantagous.
And if people do care Harris has a much cleaner voting record as a senator than Biden ever did.
The electoral college gave the win to #45, perhaps you've forgotten that he lost the popular vote.
And thank you for your many wonderful historical posts!
Oh, no, I remember - it's just that without swing voters, he wouldn't have won the votes in the swing states necessary to lose the popular vote but win the presidency.
And thank you! I do my best to try to lend a little historical minutiae to the Fediverse!
I didn't really think you had forgotten.
Ok. If past accomplishments are no measure, then why choose Harris? She has no personality. She's not charismatic. She's a dead fish candidate, and has the extra hurdle of being Black and female, which sadly is still a hurdle to overcome.
And if not Harris, then who else has the name recognition at the national scale that could rally the party and undecideds with absolutely zero prior momentum in less than 4 months?
That's why I don't support changing course. Stay with Biden, he is our only chance this late in the race. Had he stepped aside from the beginning, we'd have a shot at any of several options had they had enough runway to lay the foundation needed for a fresher face to compete at the national level. But that didn't happen, so he's our best chance.
She'll retain control of financial assets of the Biden campaign.
She has widespread name recognition.
Nominating her would avoid a lengthy fight over the nomination that could stoke further divisions in the party this late in the election cycle.
The other alternative is Biden, and Biden has lost too much of his party to stay in. If Biden stays in, what do you think the GOP drum will be beating every day from now til election day? "Even his own party don't believe in him!" And that will sway swing voters.
We have two bad choices, but Harris is the less bad of the two.
I just don't see it. Harris doesn't even seem to be popular within the party, or by progressives.
It's very possible that she has been playing dead fish on purpose to let Biden have the spotlight, as is the role of VP. Maybe she can take the gloves off and rise to the challenge. Maybe.
But I think it's far more likely she serves as a bland, dry candidate that gets completely steamrolled by theatric behemoth that is the Right's propaganda entertainment machine. Who, by the way, will have ample ammo on her for being a last second replacement, AND easily reclaim the misogynistic and racist votes that they may have lost who weren't MAGA zealots.
She's not, but she's still polling at +2 over Biden and Democrats need every point they can get.
Your take on Harris interests me. I, too, worry that the needed swing voters might skip on voting for non-whites, or for a woman, but I figured they'd all be OK with a prosecutor who prosecuted drug offenders while it was against the law. I understand California specifically might be angry about that, but I'd have guess the rest of the country would be OK.