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Five Just Stop Oil activists receive record sentences for planning to block M25
(www.theguardian.com)
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5 years is insane. That being said none of this protest is peaceful. Your using violence to block people from work, literally stealing from the poor who can't change a god damn thing. And it's absolutely worthless, this type of shit just pisses people off and makes them fight more against policy change.
You know who's the first to suffer from the continued climate crisis? Poor people, working people.
The people taking it seriously and demanding action are the ones serving the interests of poor and working people.
If you want to help poor people in need, then advocate for strong labour laws and a robust welfare state. None of this regressive pearl clutching shite that doesn't help anyone except the ruling class.
I'm sure that sounds great when you aren't stuck in traffic at your hourly job, while the middle class protests because they have the time and money. It doesn't work. You have the correct idea supporting them and advocating for change. But the execution is failing here. It does not progress your goals.
I've been stuck in exactly one protest-caused traffic backup in my entire life. But I've been stuck in backups for: crashes, rush hour, road construction, trains, sportsball matches, concerts, sausage festivals, triathlons, university dorm move-in, and even crews painting the lane lines, more times than I could even begin to count.
Why no tears for the poor wage slaves being stuck with the shittiest of transportation systems when it's experiencing its usual failures?
Does 👏 not 👏 work
Really not that hard a concept.
If you're talking about the automobile-based transportation system, yes, I agree that it does not work, but I disagree that it is not a hard concept. It doesn't seem like it should be, but it is. It should be gobsmackingly obvious that it doesn't work based on simple observations through the windshield, yet so many people just can't grasp it. As for disruptive protest, the case is not so straightforward, and many people will argue that it's the only form of protest that actually works.
Does 👏 not 👏 work
Change up the strategy.
you do realize that you saying it over and over again while plugging your ears doesn't magically make it true, right? and that people generally just consider this behaviour childish, right?
Didn't work 3 weeks ago. Still doesn't work.
When you consider the violence to property or to the economy over people, you lose any respect i could have for you. I argue against your definition of violence. And you are essentially relegating protest to only where it could not have any impact in the first place.
I didn't know what to tell you. It doesn't work. You are hurting your cause because your sense of justice has seen it work in the past. There are more effective ways than pissing EVERYONE off. You need to be more pragmatic in your thinking.
I’m still waiting for these more pragmatic ways to be effective…. I am sure relegating protestors to somewhere more convenient helps your cause, but historically it doesn’t help the cause of the protest.
Yep been waiting quite a while now. I am sure silent solidarity will convince law makers to not take that lucrative lobbying money any day now.
I'm not saying protesting isn't an answer. Only that blocking major roadways just pisses people off, hurts those most vulnerable, and has a net effect of pushing voting right.
To be honest, i don’t think blocking traffic would work either. I would inconvenience the government or corporations directly. I am more for eco-sabotage i guess
Who said anything about violence?