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Feel like I mentioned again and again that I'm talking about his campaign politics. I took a look at his 2008 campaign policies to see if I was misremembering anything and it's pretty centrist to me, even his health care plan. And like I mentioned, he explicitly did not support gay marriage which at the time would have been an easy progressive signalling, but he either truly opposed gay marriage or he was trying to cater to a broader audience.
Like I said, he had a convincing image of idealism but not the politics to back it up, and you are saying AOC could win because she has progressive politics. She would need the flashy campaign to back it up, and so many people just hate her I don't think it would work.
Anyway I'm just saying the same things over and over again in different wording and it's getting tired, respond if you want, idc, but I'm going to stop here.
Yeah. You keep just repeating the same patently wrong, historically inaccurate characterization of Obama's campaign. The discussion was about idealism and how it sells in-terms of getting elected. My central point, is that it absolutely does sell, even its just the trappings. You run as a progressive idealist, like Obama did or like Sanders did, or based on just lift and shift the progressive platform like Biden did, and you catch W's.
You want to win an election as a Democrat? Either run on a progressive platform, or at least paint yourself that way in your campaign.
The idea that you can win as a Democrat running towards the center isn't supported (at least since Clinton).