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lol no he wouldn't. If you still hold fantasies that a Dem with a military background is going to outflank Trump for the blue collar white vote then you really haven't been paying attention.
Which former high ranking military officer and astronaut have the Democrats put on a ballot to test that hypothesis?
Kelly doesn't have to win the white, blue-collar vote away from Trump. He only has to poach a handful of Trump votes in a few key states.
You think any of that shit matters to the electorate in 2024? He beat a staunch anti-abortion crusader that previously lost to Sinema. Even Kamala could've won that one. You spout off his military credentials as if anyone impressed by that will now breathe a sigh of relief because they won't have to vote to for the man who said rude things about them.
Not in the blue-no-matter-who states. But in the states that will vote for Trump, and the states that may vote for Trump, it matters.
Why put forward a candidate who can only win where any Democrat would win?
He wasn't an astronaut but we already tried the military officer bullshit with John Kerry.
John Kerry was a Lieutenant in the Navy, an O3. He commanded a swift boat, which were typically crewed by about 5 people. He was a low-level officer. The civilian equivalent of John Kerry's military command was the produce manager at a grocery store.
Mark Kelly was a Captain in the Navy, an O7. Captains command hundreds to thousands of sailors, depending on their specific posting. The civilian equivalent of his position was CEO of a fortune 500 company, (albeit, a smaller one)
John Kerry ran against GW Bush, who was a First Lieutenant (O2) in the Air National Guard and a fighter pilot. As they had comparable military careers, Kerry's background was a wash.
Mark Kelly will be running against Cadet Bone Spurs.
Based on their military careers, John Kerry and George Bush were dirt bikes, Mark Kelly was a Formula One car, and Donald Trump wet his pants when the engines started, and cried until his mommy took him home.
The simple fact is that if Kelly is the nominee, you'll vote for him. You'll vote for whoever is on the ticket. "Blue, no matter who" voters give the party room to focus on pickier constituents.
The voters we need to focus on are those in swing states and red states who would otherwise stay home, or cast a vote for Trump.
Kelly has proven he can win in red states. It's time to tag him in.
The average blue collar american doesn't know the difference between a Lieutenant or a Captain!
Normal people don't care about this shit. Military families do, but that's a shrinking demographic.
You're out of touch. The average person i know laughs when they see a virgin O3 walking around like they weren't just the equivalent of a grocery store manager when they were getting shot at in their dinky swift boats like little bitches.
But when a fucking chad O7 walks around everyone loses their minds! Its just like if they saw a Fortune 500 CEO!!!!
Anyone who has seen Top Gun understands the difference between a lieutenant and a captain.
He was the civilian equivalent of a huge piece of shit? Ok.
Ok, now think like a voter who has cast two ballots for Trump, instead of a voter who is going to vote blue no matter who. Because that former Trump voter is the one you need to convince if you want to win.
I'm a communist. I don't win if there's a Democrat or a Republican in office. Someone who has cast two ballots for Trump has a dead rat for a brain and should be promptly sent to reeducation, not given some military bozo to vote for.
That's nice, honey, but the adults are talking now. Why don't you go play in your room?
Seriously, if there is no winning scenario for you, what do you care?
Where are these adults? Do you proclaim yourself the mature voice in the room with this incredibly smug reply? All while you jack off to the military credentials of an uninspiring moderate? His positions are straight down the line identical to Biden's. The only issue where he stands out is gun control- and that's where he would automatically lose in every red state.