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Warren Bill Would Overturn Supreme Court Decision Gutting Federal Agency Power.
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This sentiment is way too rare. Personally I'm a fan of using "don't let perfect be the enemy of good enough"
It needs to be selectively applied though. We should fight for perfection, but we shouldn't avoid small gains in favor of large aspirations.
That's what the saying means. It doesn't mean perfect isn't good. It means perfect is great, but don't let it stop good.
just remember: "perfect" is a journey, not a destination. it something to strive for knowing full well that you'll never get there because it's impossible.
Oh yes, absolutely
Except literally every time someone on the left points out the Dem leadership habit of inching in the right direction while not doing much to stop their fascist counterparts from yarding if not miling in the opposite.
What little progress conservative Democrats DO graciously deign to bestow on the unwashed masses is the equivalent of getting a 2% raise in a year where your unavoidable expenses such as food, shelter, and medicine rose by double digits.
That's not good. That's insufficient.
So give us more Democrats and you'll get more results. It's a simple question of mathematics. We can't pass laws unless you give us the numbers in Congress.
If they do their jobs well, they get rewarded with votes. It's a simple question of not inverting the relationship between the public servants and the public.
And people won't vote for you if you pass bad laws and/or do nothing with the mandate you're given. Which is what 90%+ of them do.
If they start actually helping people more, people will reward them. Giving them all they want in return for bad job performance isn't the motivator to do better you seem to think it is.
If they do their jobs well, they get rewarded with votes. It’s a simple question of not inverting the relationship between the public servants and the public.
Hard disagree. The public is not a monolith. It does not know what it wants, because most people want mutually exclusive things.
Holy paternalistic condescension, Batman! 😬🤦
That's not how it works. I'm not just saying that, I mean functionally, what you're saying is impossible. We can't make progress until we get the numbers in Congress, and you won't give us the numbers in Congress until we make progress. So nothing ever gets done. Gridlock at best.
And people wonder why the Dems seem so ineffectual. Its because our voters are piss poor at understanding how our fucking government works. Vote first, and then get results. It's literally impossible for it to happen the other way around. People who are not in Congress can't pass laws. You have to get them into Congress first.
You can get results by going for things republicans also want. As in, negotiate with your counterparts on the hill.
Sometimes the way forward isn’t one of overpowering all opposition. Not everything is a blitzkrieg.
We try to avoid negotiating with fascists.
Classic victim blaming. "We're doing a lousy job because of the people not trusting us in spite of doing a lousy job!" 🙄
That hasn't worked since 1978 at the very latest and it won't suddenly start working now.
The problem isn't that the average voter doesn't help Democrats enough. The problem is that Democrats don't help the average voter enough.
The reason for that problem isn't a lack of mandate, it's that the vast majority represent their big sum owner donors much more than the public at large. As shown by how the party fights anti-corporate Democrats much harder than they ever fight Republicans, even the fascists of today.
And people who don't prioritize the interests of the public don't pass law that furthers the interest of the public over those that supply big legal bribes, no matter how many of them there are in Congress.
What, precisely, do you think Democrats should be doing right now to help the American people?
Passing the long overdue minimum wage increase no matter what some unelected clerk with only symbolic authority thinks about it.
And before you say it: yes I know it wouldn't pass the House right now. The point is that they didn't do It when they could, just like with almost everything that helps regular people without directly benefitting the ultra-rich and their corporations.
As for what they CAN do in spite of the House being under fascist occupation, there's also a couple things.
Like halting all weapon shipments to the fascist apartheid regime of Netanyahu, Smotrich, Ben-Gvir et al and change the diplomatic stance towards them to something more akin the latter years of Apartheid South Africa and Serbia under Milošević.
Like commuting the sentences of everyone who's imprisoned for victimless crimes such as drug possession and voluntary sex work.
Like closing the concentration camps Trump built on the southern border and revising ICE and USCIS guidelines and protocols to make legal immigration much easier and cheaper to do and provide an achievable pathway for all undocumented immigrants.
That's just off the top of my head. There's probably hundreds if not thousands of other things that they can also do with just the Senate and the White house that would fundamentally change the lives of millions of people for the better.
Then when they've earned goodwill by doing some of that, more people will vote for them, they'll retake the House and be able to do even more good and get even more votes.
It's a virtuous circle in stead of the current downward spiral.
Burning Man called. They want their gigantic strawman back.
If you're not able to address what I AM saying, please don't deflect to what you IMAGINE I might be saying based on your prejudice. It's a waste of everyone's time, I've heard it literally hundreds if times before and it wasn't even clever or constructive the first time.
Nope. Saying that they need to do better and the votes will follow isn't voter suppression. It's legitimate dissent and would be good advice if they listened.
More "every critic is secretly a Republican operative" shitlib deflection from the real inadequacies of the people you reflexively defend.
Banning me for having dissenting opinions would be some authoritarianism bullshit and an example of something you would (correctly) excoriate the far right echo chamber or tankies for.
Instead the mods remove comments that call you people out. Lovely.
Maybe the fact that you're accusing me of all sorts of untrue things, calling me "you people" like I'm part of some amorphous mass rather than a person, and asking for me to be banned for having a different perspective than yours might be it?
Nah, it was removed for "calling me out" 🙄
These are hyperbolic times.
The internet age has all but murdered nuance.
No, republican fear mongering, and their refusal to recognize facts has all but murdered nuance. You can't have nuanced discussion because a significant portion of the populace have been delightfully gobbling up a buffet of lies. There is no nuance about reproductive healthcare when abortion is murder. There is no nuance about the electoral system when every election is rigged. There is no nuance about equality in law when the president is immune from all crimes. The Internet didn't destroy nuance, certain people have been throwing nuance out the window as fast as possible because an educated and empowered populace weakens their grip on the wheel of power.
"Don't let perfect be the enemy of better."
“Don’t butcher things your parents taught you”
The problem can be that some progress can be used to placate the masses by halting the momentum.
Obamacare was a step in the right direction, but also enough to kill the momentum towards the actual solutions that would have provided universal healthcare. Even those wouldn't have been perfect, but now the drive has plataeued and good enough for most people means we won't get good enough for everyone any time soon.
Decriminalizing weed instead of legalizing and regulating is another. It doesn't actually solve the inherent problems with the war on drugs because the drug trade that does involve criminal activity is still present. This kind of situation can backfire by reinforcing people's belief in the lies about drugs inherently causing violent crime.
So the sentiment is correct, but not all progress is good enough and partial progress can be a long term negative.
Bullshit. If we'd kept the supermajority, democrats would have EXPANDED Obamacare.
Republicans are stopping progress. Democrats didn't go "eh fuck it I don't feel like helping people anymore". They were blocked by Republicans.
Democrats could have dropped the filibuster to be able to pass that better version with a simple majority. Then they could ride that success in future elections by pointing out that they were willing to overcome Republican obstruction.
But instead they half assed it when they had the chance and achieved partial progress that killed the momentum. Then the Republicans dropped the filibuster partially to stack the courts.
Dropping the filibuster is a nuclear option that will open us up to massive Republican attacks when they're in power. It's not a move to be taken lightly.
It has zero power when the other party holds all three branches other than tradition.
Republicans have already shown they don't care about tradition, and they only keep the neutered version of it around to obstruct Democratic legislation. Republicans already snipped it out from the judicial nominations when they had the senate and the oval office. If they hold all three branches they will drop it the moment they want to pass an abortion ban or anything else. The Democrats keeping it around is just shooting themselves in the foot.
Remember that the filibuster exists with a simple majority in the senate and can be dropped at a moments notice. It was never needed in the first place because needing the House, Senate, and a Presidential signature is already enough room for obstruction and the idea that it keeps debate from being stifled has long proven to be false based on it being used without needing to even be spoken.
The filibuster only benefits Repubilcan obstruction. Why the Democrats won't let it go is beyond me.