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They know exactly what they're asking for. It isn't as though the homophobia and xenophobia of the American right is some kind of secret. Persecuting minority groups is a signature issue.
And if we were voting on changing the speed limit, I'd agree that taking voting to the level of incarceration would be extreme. But we're talking about policies of mass incarceration, seizure of property, and execution of dissidents. That's the threat that a future Trump Presidency is supposed to present.
So either I was lied to and Future President Donald Trump isn't an existential threat to my existence. Or the reports are sincere and a vote for Donald Trump is the same as a vote for my summary execution.
If a lynch mob shows up outside your door and starts voting on whether or not to string you up, what would you say the remedy is? Lobby them not to kill you? Politely ask them to leave? Or show up on the porch with a shotgun and tell them all to piss off?
For some, sure. For most? It reads more like a justification to act like an authoritarian and jail political opponents. It sounds exactly like when people like trump say the left is coming after Christians.
We're not tho. You're just assuming this will happen. I agree with you it's a distinct risk and we must stop trump because it's far greater than a zero percent chance. But he's not outright calling for it. These people believe he is protecting them and their way of life. Dumb? Yes. Criminal? No.
But can we stop and laugh for a second about you pointing to assumption of mass incarceration as a justification for outright calling for mass incarceration? Which does, pretty clearly, demonstrate my point.
When the political opponents are, themselves, violent domestic terrorists and anti-democratic authoritarians, you'd be a fool to wait until they're installed in the highest levels of government before taking action.
I am being told "Go out and vote against Trump or this will happen". This was the primary Ridin' With Biden argument and the reason we were supposed to swallow a little like genocide in Gaza for the greater good. There were a bunch of memes and everything. People insisting that a Trump Presidency would amount to a domestic holocaust. People insisting that failure to vote for the Democrat or even a vote for a third party candidate was a tacit endorsement of this pending holocaust.
Sure. The joke is funniest right down on the US/Mexico border where we've got toddlers behind razor wire, because the governors are all pandering to a political base that wants to end birthright citizenship and deport anyone browner than a cup of milk.
Except we're not talking about terrorists and anti democratic authoritarians, we are talking about jailing people for the way they vote. You are, by claiming people should be jailed for the way they vote, being the anti democratic authoritarian.
Again, we both agree that trump is a risk and we need to stop him. But jailing people for falling for his rhetoric and commiting the crime of voting makes you a risk to our democracy as well. The only difference I see between you and trump, on this point at least, is you're explicitly espousing it. He's just using a dog whistle.
We're talking about their donors, their canvasers, and their supporters.
We both agree he should be stopped. I'm not sure we agree on actually stopping him. It seems like we're just going to roll the dice on the election and hope for the best, because doing anything else would be unfair to the fascists.
It's clear, even in your own post, that you know we are talking about voters.
Well, certainly becoming a anti democratic authoritarian seems like a terrible idea to avoid an anti democratic authoritarian. I'm hoping the electorate wakes up and, if it doesn't, the institutions designed to protect us against authoritarianism hold up. I certainly will never get behind jailing people for the crime of voting a way I don't like.
Don't lift a finger against the lynch mob or you will be no better than the lynch mob.
Maybe they just won't lynch me. Maybe it'll be fine.
Those institutions will be run by the anti-democratic authoritarians you just said you didn't like.
I'm pretty sure I'm every post you've lied about my position in order to make yours. It's gotta tell you something at this point.