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Smurf-ass motherfuckers. You’re not even real cops but you still wear that dumbass badge. Guess this is where all the academy dropouts ended up at. I see you taking your own backpacks straight past the checkpoints you fucking hypocrites. You couldn’t catch a bomb if it landed right on top of you you fucking fucks AAAAAAAAA!!!!! monke-rage

My butter knife could be used to take control of the plane? Holy fuck are you fucking listening to yourself? That’s literally my fucking job! Fuck you! And they give fucking butter knives to the business class passengers on the fucking plane, holy fucking shit!!! guts-rage

Don’t tell me I’ve been fucking randomed, I can see the green cleared icon reflected in your glasses you lying sack of shit, fuck you! lenin-rage

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[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 34 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I don’t really understand the liquid limitations considering you can quite literally fill up an empty bottle or get drinks or whatever as soon as you get through the checkpoint. Also, fuck the TSA for requiring you to only use “TSA approved locks” for guns, aka locks that TSA can bypass because the keys are generic and available online for purchase.

Interestingly enough, we don’t see too many incidents with sky marshals, ~~or any at all. Are these even real positions or did Liam Neeson just make it up?~~ I guess it would be bad PR if your agents slammed some minority just for being loud instead of shooting terrorists.

One marshal who was a recovering alcoholic, saw himself featured in a TSA alcohol awareness promo video and subsequently died by suicide.

Lol. Based TSA

The investigation discovered that 28 had been hired with pre-existing misdemeanors and that several current air marshals had been convicted of or were awaiting trial for offenses including disorderly conduct, DUIs, and sexual crimes against children.

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[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago

It’s just security theater for the passengers.

I have a Known Crew Member card so I should theoretically be able to stroll right through security with no inspection or x-ray or anything and no questions asked. Even the air marshals have to put their bags through the scanner to blend in. Of course 7/10 times I get “randomed” (i.e., sent to the back of the TSA Pre line. I can also cut in front of the regular TSA line if I want the TSA ass-grabbing special). This is supposed to be done by a computer but they’ll random you even if you’re cleared because they hate not having power over somebody. Out of uniform the “randoms” go up to about a 10/10 rate. For what are obviously entirely optics reasons.

Sometimes the regular checkpoint is a 10 minute walk from the KCM access point. Of course, if I head to the regular line right away, they tell me I have to use the crewmember lane first to be sent back.

I’m also exempt from the liquid restrictions, as is any member of the crew. If I take a week long course I can also bring a loaded gun onto the plane and be forever exempt from randoms. But that would also technically make me a cop so I’m not doing it.

Less likely to get a cavity search in uniform than out, because they want to look like they’re being thorough with the passengers and know they have zero recourse.

So yeah, I don’t know how common knowledge this is, but there’s a subset of people who are exempt from security and I can tell you that a lot of them are chuds and are not well.

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago

out of curiosity, whats the best way to avoid scanners / dick fondling? its kinda a nightmare for trans people to just be digitally exposed or grabbed there

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago

I’ll start with American security first.

In terms of American security, really the only way to be completely exempt from fondling (and any screening at all) is to be a uniformed crew member that has passed a gun training course - you will never be subjected to any screening ever, guaranteed. If you haven’t taken this course you will be subject to the “random” screenings, but you get to use the TSA Pre line which avoids the body scanner thing and you just have to go through the metal detector. You might be patted down but chances are relatively low while in uniform.

As a passenger you can pay about $70 a year to join TSA Pre and go through the same line with just the metal detector and baggage x-ray. However, being a passenger, your chances of a pat-down go up, especially if you’re a minority. But relatively speaking, it is still less likely than if you went through the regular line.

Internationally:

In my experience, uniformed crew members are still far less likely to get a pat-down than regular passengers. However if you ask not to use the body scanner and they allow your request, they will basically always do a pat-down (both crews and passengers). EU claims that the scanner imagines are anonymized and reviewed by someone who can’t see you - I’m not sure I believe this though.

In all cases though, I would suggest playing on the stereotypes the security people learn at their bullshit training. If they identify you as a “deviant” (from what I’m told, a word actually used in TSA training, at least in the past) or think you look too poor, or think you answered their questions with the wrong tone, you’ll get the pat-down. To get the best chance at bypassing this you basically have to have a mainstream hairstyle, dress like a bougie businessperson, and answer questions in a semi-detached disinterested tone. And act like you own the airport - i.e., come off as stereotypically self-assured - because they’re also looking for “nervous body language” (a complete pseudoscience). But again, in my experience, in Europe this would only save you from the scanner + pat-down combo, and not both. At least, I haven’t heard of anyone being able to bypass the whole thing.

God only knows what’s going through the minds of the bigots that staff airport security. It’s absurd that you have to basically do improv to get through almost unscathed.

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

is avoiding just the 3d scanner feasible? i can think of a few ways to grab the spot pretty hard and it not feel abnormal at least thonk how hard do they pat in the groin area? do they like cup it lmao

honestly thanks so much for the info on this though, ive been putting off visiting family in europe cause of this, it makes me so nervous. havent been on a plane in a long while now and i appreciate the extreme detailed walkthrough

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

AFAIK in the EU they are required to let you opt out of the body scanner for a “hand search” instead. Unfortunately it’s not really possible to predict what it will be like or how hard they will be because, in accordance with security theater, it’s basically performance art so it depends on the mood of the person doing it and what they had for lunch. And since basically anybody can become an airport security “””officer”””, well, you get the idea.

But I can say that they will probably be more rough if they feel like you’re too uppity or aren’t “respecting” them enough - i.e., react to their screaming and insults with anything other than “thank you”.

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago

oh i'll be coming from america, more worried about there honestly.

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

yea American security is definitely more cop brained. In the US, if you get TSA Pre you should hopefully be able to bypass both the body scanner and the pat-down. However even in the regular lines TSA is still required to let you opt out of the 3D scanner for a pat-down instead. You will have to be forceful with them though because they will absolutely try to pressure you into just using the scanner. Again I can’t say how hard they will be with the pat down because the methods are arbitrary.

[-] Babs@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago

This is a big part of why I don't fly anymore if I can avoid it. Every time I've flown since transitioning, I've been patted down, either because of my bra (where they usually have me lift my arms and pat my sides) or my genitals (where they pat my inner leg). Which one seems to be entirely based on how they gender me.

I also often got the awkward "would you like a man or a woman to pat you down?" Which is super cool cause like, you're asking me if I want a dude grabbing my thigh, or I wanna ask a female agent to do it and hope she's not gonna be weird about touching trans people. It's cool - not like there's a whole transphobic narrative around trans women imposing themselves on uncomfortable cis women~

Fuck planes. Train gang.

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago

Too bad I can't take a train to Czechia kitty-birthday-sad

[-] dumpster_dove@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago

I guess the idea is that you shouldn't be allowed to bring enough liquid to mix into some kind of explosive large enough to do harm (but also a lot of airports earn good money from people buying their $5 water bottles)

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

Could explosive liquids be mixed to a concentrate? Or something to get past security before making it lethal with water from the bathroom? I’m guessing not since no one has done it.

[-] dumpster_dove@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago

The whole thing is silly anyway because determined attackers could just bring like 5 people with many small containers that they add together after the security check.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago

That’s true. Or just stab the lithium ion batteries on laptops and phones and cause a fire or explosion lol

[-] mar_k@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

apparently individuals are allowed to bring up to 9 smaller bottles of liquid limited to 3.4oz/100mm each. 9 x 3.4oz is literally a quart. same as having two normal sized bottles. lmfao the US is so stupid

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

yes people have mixed explosives and drugs into like, tires before to get over borders. i would imagine you can do something like that for the soles of your shoes or something

or just get a job at tsa, get chummy with them, and skip the line when you are ready for something nefarious. sounds trivial.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

i would imagine you can do something like that for the soles of your shoes or something

Ah. The shoebomber. Classic days.

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago

Determined guy could still do it tbh, just carry pure nitroglycerin (despite old news, primo stuff is safe-ish as pure liquid). 100 g is enough to depressurize cabin, not that it would make much difference.

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