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look, first of all the quote thing style of reddit fedora wearing liberal debate-lord is cringe so thats a big strike against everything you are saying as a baseline and really deserves to be disregarding outright as being lib so consider yourself blessed to even be responded to
secondly, just because your bolognese friend took pity on your weak american mind and told you they were serving you pizza proves nothing except their view of your intelligence
lastly, you can squirm away from your own definition all you like but you engage in exactly what the article about pizza being american tackles before it even gets out of hand - pizza is a specific thing, not just bread and toppings as you defined it. it is a specific thing of which its current form was refined in america and re-exported to italy, ie its not just bread and toppings which you now run from at top speed because you realized you done fucked up. so if that new criteria is what you want to go by then its still american by that definition, too. and while we are on that no, the concept of alone pizza doesnt go back to persia, the etymology word itself does as well as it is complex as was pointed out elsewhere so you are still wrong on that account as well, they had a base of the word which meant a form of bread pie with toppings. and the origin of pizza in naples didnt even have toppings, it was more like native american frybread than anything just bread cooked in an oven in olive oil
Lmao, you're so American. You understand this is an international website right?
Do you not understand that you're the only one holding this up as the definition of pizza? Like, I've repeatedly tried to explain sets to you, I truly don't understand what you're finding confusing about the concept. Do you disagree that "a building for people to live in" describes a house, even though it also describes a block of flats? Do you think cars aren't vehicles because bikes and lorries exist? It's just unbelievable that you'd really be so stereotypically American.
Anyway, as I already said, those are someone else's talking points. If you want to be insufferable you're going to have to come up with your own.
I find it unbelievable that you are so stereotypical in the American mindset if you actually aren't from America. It just goes to show how much of America we've exported around the world. We've literally colonized your mind and it's especially obvious in the way you do this little reddit-brained liberal quote response thing. It ignores the wholeness of the material conditions of a discussion to focus on specific individual elements and is extremely un-Marxist in it's approach. This is exactly why re-education will be mandatory.
That said, if I cannot use your definition of what pizza is and I cannot use other's definitions of what pizza is or their research or their talking points (and I have no idea why you think this is a rule, perhaps another derangement of your cognitive liberalization) let us approach this from a different way. I find it curious that, the Americanization of pizza which labelled Sicilian sfinciuni as pizza became so ubiquitous that it was exported back to Italy and the Italians have now adopted it as pizza as well, abandoning the very way they traditionally viewed what pizza was and conforming to the American conception. Outstanding that they reconceptualized what pizza even is because we did so first in America. A big strike against Italy as the originators of pizza there so that's for laying the groundwork.
But if we are going to explore that further here in America we have all kinds of things we label "pizza". Pizza without sauce. Pizza that is a giant chocolate chip pastry with frosting and other sweet toppings on on it. Bagel Bites, a pizza on mini bagels. In fact, by utilizing Hegalian analysis of this situation we can say that the synthesis of what we see as pizza could be a bagel with cheese on it and no sauce. Yes, a toasted bagel with cream cheese from a NY deli is a pizza utilizing all the components and configurations that we already accept in America as pizza. It is almost certainly not an Italian invention but I'm sure you friend in Baloney will be serving you this new pizza as a local delicacy in the near future.
The american thinks their attempts to be insufferable are praxis
It's your definition? You're still the one who decided it was "the definition of pizza". I have explained it to you multiple times. Like could you at least acknowledge that you've heard of set theory if you won't tackle the learning examples.
Uh no, learn to read idiot, you can't use other people's arguments for why pizza isn't Italian. You haven't actually chosen to define it other than "anything an American calls pizza".
Of course you don't, that's why I responded in the first place.
Ok, this one's a good bit, I'll give you that.
i dont know what reddit shit this is but its literally unreadable
No it isn't, you were reading it fine a comment ago. Bit sad to start playing dumb this late tbh.
its random sentences responded to in a void devolving into more and more liberal reddit nonsense without thesis. its nothing contrarian vomit
I don't know if you've encountered like... the entire concept of saying things in a public space before, but I don't need to form a thesis - I'm just pointing out the uncited claims and nonsequiters in yours. I admit that maybe I shouldn't have overestimated your ability to grasp context with the last one, but you're literally telling me a bagel, like a thing literally called a BAGEL bite, is actually a pizza, so don't try to accuse me of contrarian word vomit, because it's obvious to even the most passive observer that you're just projecting.