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[-] Irremarkable@fedia.io 27 points 10 months ago

The actual fuck is wrong with you

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 20 points 10 months ago

There is a particular type of propaganda account that likes to insert nonsense into the discourse, just to interfere with people who want to have reasonable discussions. This article has more about it -- search for Peter Pomerantsev; he's quoted in that talking about it.

Of course I'm not saying the person you're replying to is doing that. I for-real genuinely have no idea whether it's that, or they're just a person with some odd ideas about geopolitics, and anyway it would be illegal for me to make that type of speculation.

[-] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

It's not illegal to speculate that someone is a troll lmao

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 2 points 10 months ago

It is on Lemmy.world news subs

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

That's not illegal, it's just against the rules.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If it’s against the RULES then that means someone inTENDS on WRONGing someone else, P Barnes.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Illegal specifically means against the law, not just against some private space's set of rules.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

illegal - 1 of 2 - adjective

il·​le·​gal (ˌ)i(l)-ˈlē-gəl

: not according to or authorized by law : UNLAWFUL, ILLICIT

also : not sanctioned by official rules (as of a game)

-Merriam-Webster

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Using "illegal" when referring to gameplay is already pushing it. It would raise eyebrows. Expanding it to encompass any set of rules is simply wrong.

[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 10 months ago

Using “illegal” when referring to gameplay is already pushing it. It would raise eyebrows.

No, that's normal. Illegal moves in chess, illegal actions in Magic or Yugioh, illegal strategies in football.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Yeah, and unless you're an ultra game nerd, using illegal to refer to breaking the rules is strange. Most people say "against the rules" or "non-permissible". It's a small, niche usage of the word.

[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 10 months ago

Sure, just keep denying it, maybe the world will twist to match your notion.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

I'm just telling you how native people speak.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 0 points 10 months ago

Something illegal is against the law or breaks the rules. If you're reading this in jail, you've probably done something illegal, and if you're not in jail, there's plenty of time to obey the law.

You can use the adjective illegal to describe breaking the rules, as when you head-butt someone in a game. Acts that go against the law, such as robbing a bank, are also illegal. There is a wide range of things called illegal, from small acts to big ones, but no matter the seriousness, if it is against the law, it is illegal. This adjective also describes people who enter countries without official government approval, they are called "illegal immigrants" or "illegal aliens."

Definitions of illegal

(adjective) prohibited by law or by official or accepted rules

“an illegal chess move”

-Vocabulary.com

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

You'll notice the great majority of that definition talks about laws, with one minor exception for games.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Lemmy is such a bizarre place. Honestly, I’m a little surprised I am still having this conversation. But sure!

illegal

[ ih-lee-guhl ]

adjective

  1. forbidden by law or statute. Synonyms: unlicensed, illicit, illegitimate, unlawful
  2. contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc.: The referee ruled that it was an illegal forward pass.

-Dictionary.com

The great majority of the definition, comprising a full 64% of the words, talks about meaning 2. So! By your own standards, definition 1 doesn’t count anymore, and I get to complain if you try to use it. How dare you say the word means definition 1, and not definition 2, which is clearly the only real definition and the only one that actually counts. How dare you. How DARE you.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

I defy you to find a single usage of illegal in contemporary writing that refers to neither laws nor games.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 2 points 10 months ago

I'm not your citation monkey

I actually found one, because I was wondering if me and the dictionary were the wrong ones, but I refuse to send it because what I already sent is accurate + sufficient. You can accept or not; it's up to you.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Well I can't really cite the whole of the English language to prove my point, can I? Trying to prove a negative is very difficult.

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