143
Vance Is Fixin’ to Follow Harris All Over the Place
(www.thedailybeast.com)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 05 Aug 2024
143 points (91.3% liked)
News
23397 readers
1678 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Jd is a creepy weirdo, but the couch story was made up.
Not directed at you (unless you already knew it was fake, I guess) - I fucking hate it when people feel the need to make up stuff about someone who already has plenty of real red flags that need attention.
Beating them at their own dishonest game has worked much better than trying to fact check them, and getting completely outpaced, ever did.
I agree with you in principle, but I think the words you're using are flawed.
The electorate have devolved into petty, schoolyard name-calling. Still, it's possible to use that language of pettiness to point out the factual hypocrisy, dishonesty, duplicity and lies of the Republicans' messaging, and maybe hang a couple of relatively harmless schoolyard labels on them with it.
But, why is it effective? Many times authoritarians are insecure in themselves, almost as a rule. Call a fascist a fascist and they'll double down as they fantasize about their boot on your neck. Call them a weirdo in front of everyone else and suddenly they're the part of the out crowd. They already feel victimized because there's more of us than there are of them, so it sticks.
Sometimes it's jarring enough for them to give them pause and make them ask if this is really who they are. If maybe there's a way to get back into the in crowd.
We don't need to play their dishonest game using lies, they give us so much to work with already.
Finally: yes, we can certainly use better judo than we have been to beat them at it. That's why I agree with you.
From an outside perspective on the other side of the world, I disagree. Any lie, once uncovered, makes it so much easier for even the the worst positions to be defended. 'See, they have to make shit up about us, they have nothing'. Bam, now even all the other factual points are discredited in the eyes of many people who may have been on the fence.
Okay you get on stage and make a salient point about how you did infact not fuck a couch.
Not what I've observed in the last 20 years for either side, but I guess we'll see.
Really? You haven't seen a rise in facts being deemed false? Or maybe news being deemed fake? Maybe there's even been a new term created for it that is being thrown around a lot by one side in particular.
Doesn't seem like a good idea to give them more examples they can point to when they want to discredit your facts
That's not at all the assertion you made.
What I haven't seen was any effective debunking that moved the needle.
Then why did the AP take down their fact check that said Vance didn’t fuck a couch.
Because you can't prove something like that happened or didn't so they wanted to protect their image and stick with only things that can actually be fact checked.
Yep. I'm worn out with the snarky couch thing. It was fake. Be better y'all.
It can be proven that the quote from his book is fake, but it can't be proven that he doesn't fuck soft, plum couches