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Rep. Cori Bush Tells AIPAC She’s ‘Coming to Tear Your Kingdom Down’ After Primary Loss
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AIPAC isn't a foreign government.
It's a legally distinct but de facto integrated part of the Israeli government. Anyone claiming otherwise is ignorant, delusional, or dishonest.
Do you realize that you are accusing 3 million American citizens who are all Jews, of being Israeli government agents?
Do you see how that comes off to people who are not already in your bubble?
I am not, no. I am correctly pointing out that AIPAC is a de facto Israeli government agency which has support from both Jewish and gentile Zionists.
You're the only one conflating Jewdom and Zionism. Which is ACTUALLY antisemitic.
Do YOU see how THAT comes off to people who are not already in YOUR bubble?
Ahh, yes, the people who call out antisemitism and incorrect statements are the true antisemites.
Lol, you have shown your true colors and I won't be engaging any further.
There, fixed your ridiculous strawman to reflect my ACTUAL claim.
Good. Less genocide apologia and false accusations for me to refute.
I never equated all Jews with Israel.
But please, feel free to continue lying. With practice you may actually eventually get good at it.
Ron Howard voice but they did
Ron Howard voice but they had
Please provide the text of my saying all jews are equated with Israel.
You equated Jews in general with the Israeli government agency AIPAC, accusing me of antisemitism based on my factual criticism of AIPAC. That's basically the same thing.
Weren't you going to stop engaging, though? I guess you were lying about that too 🤷
You think I am a supporter of AIPAC just because I corrected a factually incorrect statement?
Oh lord, you are not bright.
Nope. Never said that.
Fixed your "alternative facts" again.
This you?
You're asking if I am a film projector?
You've lost the plot.
I'm pointing out that you're projecting. Thanks for proving me right, I guess 🤷
Ahhh.
What exactly do you think the person who said, "Israel isn't 100% funding AIPAC and that it isn't a Israeli government body but rather a lobby group comprised of Americans" is projecting? Besides the facts, obviously.
You are arguing against a guy correcting the record about AIPAC by claiming he is an antisemite.
I don't personally have to be bright myself to be brighter than you in this situation.
Was there anything else you felt you needed to say?
Nope. Neither of those claims are true.
You're repeating a lie, not correcting any.
I said that you were engaging in an antisemitic trope, not that you were doing so because you're an antisemite yourself but rather because you believe the lies of antisemitic Zionists.
Guess what? Not believing your false claims don't reflect on my intelligence in one direction or the other.
Your dogged insistence on your nonsense being established facts, however, reflects poorly on either how honest you are, how intelligent you are, how mentally stable you are, or more than one of the above.
You think it's not true that AIPAC is comprised of American citizens?
You really should research something before you decide to be against it. You would look foolish less often, I promise.
American citizens acting on behalf of and coordinating with the Israeli government, yes.
Judging by how you have no idea how it operates, YOU could probably do with more research 🙄
Of all the sentences to completely bungle 😄
So not only have you accused me of being brainwashed into holding antisemitic beliefs by some American Jews, you are now accusing those same 3 million American Jews of holding allegiance to a foreign government over their own nation.
Please, continue.
You know what? Fuck it. You're just going to repeat the same strawmen and other fabrications no matter what I say or don't say. I'm not going to waste any more time on your Hasbara-poisoned ass.
I hope the rest of your day is as pleasant as you have been throughout this conversation.
I have been incredibly pleasant to you, so thank you for wishing me a good day.
AIPAC does not have 3 million lobbyists and they aren't all Jews. Stop being sensational.
I didn't say AIPAC had 3 million lobbyists.
If all you guys can do is purposefully misconstrue everything your opposition says, it probably means you are wrong.
That's who has to register as foreign agents. The lobbyists. Because it's about tracking foreign influence in the government. You could donate money to the British royal family today, that doesn't make you a foreign agent.
Do you get it yet?
I would also point out that the 3 million members of AIPAC are not donating to Israel, they are donating to AIPAC.
Unless a lobby group has been sanctioned, all Americans can donate to whatever PAC they see fit. That's called the first amendment.
I never said they couldn't donate to it. That doesn't make it any more American.
The laws of the US state that money is speech and Americans are allowed to use their speech to support political causes.
But if the argument is that 3 million American Jews aren't American enough, I am going to hold your feet to the fire on that.
Unless "it" somehow means "they", we both know I'm talking about AIPAC.
AiPAC is American through, as are its members... who are Jewish.
We gotta be careful when we start saying politically organized minorities who hold citizenship aren't American enough. It doesn't sound good, and maybe you aren't intending that, but that is how it comes off.
Being Jewish is not a requirement. And I contend that any organization operating on foreign interests is foreign. I think that's pretty clear by now.
I never said being Jewish was a requirement. But it's a political action committee representing the interests of Jewish-Americans.
And by the application of US law, and AIPAC's observing of US law, it is an American organization. You can disagree, but you are literally arguing against US law here, not me or my opinion. It is your opinion that is not reflected by reality here. Which you are American as well, you are allowed to hold these opinions and in many ways I would agree the law is wrong here, but facts are facts, and they say you are wrong.
So you entered a conversation by pretending I said something I didn't and when told thats what you were doing, you decided that meant I don't know what lobbying meant.
It's good to see you are up to the same bad faith tricks you have been since I arrived here, June of last year. Never change, my friend, though that goes without saying, since you clearly never intend to.
This was you yeah?
I understand the confusion now.
If you scroll up you will see the other person referred to AIPAC as the Israeli government and claimed they were funding the whole operation.
I pointed out that what they were saying was incorrect. It appears you and i are in agreement here and your comment was meant for the person you thought you were defending.
No. Nobody believes AIPAC's donating members are working for Israel. That's entirely your fiction.
The person you are defending doesn't believe the 3 million members of AIPAC are donors. They stated that Israel is funding the entire operation.
When I told them that was not the case, they stated I was brainwashed into holding antisemitic beliefs by AIPAC, and therefore by Israel.
Quick question, my maggot friend: why are you defending somebody if you don't even understand what it is they said?
And you think they operate solely off donations from those members? I don't think they do.
100% of their funding is what the person you are defending said.
I'm still not defending anyone.
Given the context that you are responding to a previous conversation, arguing with me doesn't really make sense unless you were defending the other position.
So if you aren't defending them, what is it that you are trying to do?
Point out how twisted you have your thinking.
The guy who thinks it is un-American for minorities to have political action committees thinks my beliefs are twisted?
I'm happy about that. Because I think your belief on the subject is un-American, and honestly, weird.
Minorities? Really? The NAACP is a minority representation organization. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee represents Israel's interests in America and vice versa. Israel does not represent Judaism.
It is 100% finance by Israel and last time I checked they are so my comment stands.
It's not, it's funded by rich Americans and dual-citizens, many of them just conservatives using it as a vessel to interfere in Democratic politics. The people running it may be effectively working for Israel, but the funding has to come from Americans in some form.
https://forward.com/news/580248/donations-aipac-has-raised-since-oct-7-lever-howard-kohr-michael-tuchin/
It is 100% financed by Israel?
Just to confirm, you are staying that the nation of Israel pays for all of it, and not the 3 million plus Americans who are members?
If that's what you are saying than I have to respond by saying, "you are lying, you have never looked this up."