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submitted 2 months ago by Konis@sh.itjust.works to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

Julius Ceasar, Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan and many more...

These people had beliefs and worldviews that were so horribly, by today's standards, that calling them fascist would be huge understatement. And they followed through by committing a lot of evil.

Aren't we basically glorifying the Hitlers of centuries past?

I know, historians always say that one should not judge historical figures by contemporary moral standards. But there's a difference between objectively studying history and actually glorifying these figures.

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[-] VeganicTankie@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 months ago

Historical materialism perfectly answers your question. Quote from On Dialectical and Historical Materialism by J.V. Stalin:

"It is easy to understand how immensely important is the extension of the principles of the dialectical method to the study of social life and the history of society, and how immensely important is the application of these principles to the history of society and to the practical activities of the party of the proletariat.

If there are no isolated phenomena in the world, if all phenomena are interconnected and interdependent, then it is clear that every social system and every social movement in history must be evaluated not from the standpoint of "eternal justice" or some other preconceived idea, as is not infrequently done by historians, but from the standpoint of the conditions which gave rise to that system or that social movement and with which they are connected.

The slave system would be senseless, stupid and unnatural under modern conditions. But under the conditions of a disintegrating primitive communal system, the slave system is a quite understandable and natural phenomenon, since it represents an advance on the primitive communal system

The demand for a bourgeois-democratic republic when tsardom and bourgeois society existed, as, let us say, in Russia in 1905, was a quite understandable, proper and revolutionary demand; for at that time a bourgeois republic would have meant a step forward. But now, under the conditions of the U.S.S.R., the demand for a bourgeois-democratic republic would be a senseless and counterrevolutionary demand; for a bourgeois republic would be a retrograde step compared with the Soviet republic.

Everything depends on the conditions, time and place.

It is clear that without such a historical approach to social phenomena, the existence and development of the science of history is impossible; for only such an approach saves the science of history from becoming a jumble of accidents and an agglomeration of most absurd mistakes"

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 points 2 months ago

The slave system would be senseless, stupid and unnatural under modern conditions. But under the conditions of a disintegrating primitive communal system, the slave system is a quite understandable

What bullcrap! Slavery exists today. It's still repugnant even though it "makes sense" to those that benefit from it.

The Mongols rampaging across Asia and offering the false choice of slavery or anhilation to all the people they encountered was evil then and it's evil today. Distancing yourself from it doesn't change the evaluation.

[-] VeganicTankie@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 months ago

Slavery exists today

Blame the translation. By "slavery" Stalin meant "slave society" instead of "forced labor". These two are very different things. Today's forced labor is yet another effect of capitalist contradictions

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