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Full disclosure, the text is my own but some of the historical references were summarized through LMM and copy/pasted.
While Russia has avoided a complete economic collapse, the average Russian is facing a harsher economic environment with higher costs, reduced income, and fewer consumer options.
The long-term impacts of these sanctions and economic adjustments are still unfolding, but they have undeniably made daily life more difficult for many in Russia.
Has it reached a point that matches the historical instabilities that fostered revolutionary action in the past? No; but I do think the potential exists if the current sanctions and poor battlefield performance continue.
Two things are very hard to deny, even with heavy-handed propaganda: the cost of bread & loved ones returning home in coffins.
I would very much prefer if the use of LLMs would be disclosed in messages.
Understandable if the comment is entirely LMM generated, but to imply I should post a disclaimer every time one is used for summarizing content is a bit of a reach IMHO.
LMMs are a tool to be used, like anything else.
Summarising is one specific use of llms that doesn't actually work.
Strange how it seems to work for me…
I know precisely what I want to say, I’m just asking for the information to be condensed into a concise 1-2 sentence statement.
There’s a big difference in asking it to generate something wholesale vs. feeding it information and asking for that information to be summarized in a clean and easy to understand format.
I would argue that is the best way to use LLMs; it’s basically acting as an editor.
Meaning they could be utter bullshit like a lot of what comes out of LLMs.
In this instance it’s accurate
Then OP should have found a way to present it so that people could more easily verify it and not just expect us all to trust software which constantly lies.
It’s not a 14 page paper, it’s two references to widely known historical events. I feel like I’m going insane…
Prompt: In 1-2 sentences, summarize the Russian revolution”s impact on social unrest.
Responses: Amidst widespread dissatisfaction with the Tsarist regime due to economic hardship, military failures, and political repression, the Russian people ultimately overthrew a centuries-old monarchy.
I’m not saying “create me a story about Russian people revolting”. I’m taking an event I’m already aware of and asking for it to get boiled down to a simple statement.
I would know if it’s lying because I paid attention in high school and college & I know what the Russian revolution is.
This is being blown way out of proportion because people see “LLM” and freak out. I use LLMs constantly in my day to day life for shit like this (and I’m not going to stop). I also feed it things I’ve written and ask it to check grammar and tighten it up. The LLM isn’t “creating” anything in those cases either, it’s just making things easier to read/understand; acting as an editor.
Sorry if that scares you.
It doesn't scare me. I just see no reason to trust LLMs after all the lies. There are plenty of legitimate sources that could be quoted.
A People’s Tragedy: The Russian Revolution: 1891-1924.
Orlando Figes, 1998
Go read it and tell me what you learn; happy?
Believe it or not, there is a huge gulf between "paste what a lying sentence construction machine says" and "require people to go to the right library."
But of course, that would require you to be arguing in good faith.
Lmao, we aren’t talking about some obscure, niche topic. You asked for a source and I gave you one…
Stop moving the goalposts; if anyone is arguing in bad faith it’s you my friend.
Google “russian revolution 1917” and read the first academic article you see. Your lack of research is not my responsibility…
I never moved the goalposts. If you can't figure out how to paste text from and then link to a couple of websites on the subject or even Wikipedia and thus rely on the thing that tells people to put glue on pizza, don't be surprised if you're criticized for it.
I’m perfectly capable of pasting a link to a website; I chose to use a source from a book I read in college and is sitting on a shelf at my house.
I’m not obligated to do a Google search for you.
And again, the LLM isn’t doing my research for me; it’s summarizing an event that I’m already aware of.
I'm afraid you don't understand how the burden of proof works. I'd give you an easy link to understand it, but someone told me recently, "I'm not obligated to do a Google search for you."
If you can’t be bothered to spend 5 mins looking something up then you’re welcome to believe whatever you want.
This isn’t a court case, we’re having a conversation in an Internet forum. What you’re calling a “burden of proof”, I’m choosing to call intellectual laziness.
Now that's some irony from someone who gets sentence-construction software to write posts on their behalf.
Are you incapable of grasping that the LLM wrote a total of like 3 sentences in a 3 paragraph comment?
And yea, the fact that you can’t seem to google 3 words and read a couple articles instead of being purposefully obtuse reeks of intellectual laziness.
Sorry, not sorry.
"I wasn't being lazy because I only used the lie machine a little bit."
Gotcha.
So you don’t have an actual argument, you’re just going to prop up the LLM strawman instead?
Is what I said wrong? Or are your feelings hurt because I used a tool to summarize something?
You are now flagrantly violating our incivility rule. If you wish to continue this discussion, do not violate it again. If you do not wish to continue it, that is fine.
Lmao, what authority do you hold?
So, calling out blatant logical fallacies is not being civil?
Ok buddy, you do you…
The authority of my being a moderator in this community.
This was the uncivil part:
Please read the rules in the sidebar. Specifically, rule 5.
And that’s different from this in what way?
-"I wasn't being lazy because I only used the lie machine a little bit."
Practice what you preach.
That would have been after you had called me lazy, would it not? I was pointing out that you were doing what you were calling me. It was demonstrative.
Do you think it is wise to continue down this hostile path with me? I think you would do best to walk away before you do something you shouldn't.
Your argument is intellectually lazy, I stand by what I said.
I’m only mirroring your attitude friend, ban me if you want. Plenty of other places I can take my opinion. You would think as a mod you would want to foster participation in the community, and not get hung up on something so petty.
You came at me aggressively off the bat; if you can’t admit that, then we aren’t ever going to see eye to eye.
Screenshotting this whole thread.
I don't plan on banning you. But I will delete any further posts that violate the civility rule.
I never even suggested I would ban you.
I find it extremely difficult to believe two events over 70 years apart that I know are very different in many ways could ultimately have the same underlying cause.
And as you haven't actually made a point, just asserted they do, there's no reason to believe they do. LLM or not
I don’t know what to tell you. You can pretty easily look up the agreed upon causes of two pretty impactful and well known historical events. We aren’t talking about some small conflict in some small village in sub-Saharan Africa; the events in question are the Russian revolution and fall of the Soviet Union.
I’m sure you can find dissenting opinions, but what I commented is largely agreed upon.
Had I not been honest about using LLMs to summarize a few sentences, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. If you want to play devils advocate, provide a differing opinion. Your only hang up seems to be that I used a LLM in any capacity.
I’m not even saying it’s the only cause, just that it contributed…