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“What was very shocking was that while we were all in the room discussing and listening to people impacted by what’s happening in Gaza, we’re not certain that that message will get across to the people at the top of the party,” Khader added. “You look at the themes of the party’s convention – today, tomorrow, Wednesday, and Thursday – there’s nowhere where Palestinians are included in that narrative.”

While the platform condemned former President Donald Trump for refusing to “endorse the political aspirations of the Palestinian people,” it made no divergence from the status quo policy of vetoing UN Security Council resolutions this year that moved towards Palestinian statehood.

While the platform boasts of being opposed to settler violence, it makes no acknowledgment of the International Court of Justice finding the Israeli government’s occupation and illegal expansions of settlements constitute apartheid.

And to that end, while the platform condemns UN efforts that apparently “single out” Israel, and the Boycott, Divest, and Sanctions movement for the same – apparently ignoring the historical precedent of Americans also boycotting and pushing divestment against fossil fuel companies and apartheid South Africa.

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[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Wow what a beautiful speech. AOC even mentions Kamala "working tirelessly to bring a ceasefire to Gaza"...

Right after the Biden admin approved $24 Billion in arms shipments to israel.

Can you timestamp the moment in that video where they bring up putting an arms embargo on israel? Lip service just doesn't hit the same after 10 months of Genocide.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

The Vice President has no say in what the Administration does or doesn't do. Unless it comes to a 50/50 tie in the Senate, she has no real power at this point.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Gutless shill. "The party's nominee to the office of president (the de facto leader of the party) has zero say in their current policies"

The excuses are becoming as offensive as the genocide itself.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

Correct. As Vice President, her job is to step in if Biden can't continue and break ties in the Senate, that's it.

She has made statements on self determination and a two state solution, but she will not run counter to the current administration.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/us-elections-kamala-harris-biden-gaza-israel-war/

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

Reading your feckless dodge to my point and playing the theme of The West Wing in crescendo

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[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago

Kamala made an official statmeent that she will keep delivering bombs to israel for Genocide if she is elected.

[-] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago
[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

“As I have said repeatedly since October 7th, Israel has a right to defend itself. And President Joe Biden and I are unwavering in our commitment to Israel’s security.”

She is a collaborator. Everyone who backs her is complicit.

"I will repeat: The threat of — Hamas poses to the people of Israel must be eliminated."

Advocation of the destruction of the only thing preventing Israel's Lebensraum. Destruction of the only thing in the way of keeping what happened to the Native Amerikan tribes and the New Afrikan nation from happening to Palestine too.

I pray I get to watch your country collapse in ways that even youtubers couldn't talk about it for fear of demonetization. I pray you collapse nameless.

[-] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Sounds like she has my vote then.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

No, she did not. Your lies may fly with other people, they do not fly with me:

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/us-elections-kamala-harris-biden-gaza-israel-war/

Nobody in the administration supports the Gazan genocide. Not Biden, not Harris.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

If a state is committing an ongoing genocide, and another state routinely sends weapons to that state, they are militarily supporting that genocide. That is the reality on the ground, regardless of the rhetoric from the Biden Administration. Ending that unconditional military support is what is required to stop supporting that genocide and abide by International Law

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[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

You can lie and censor the truth with your mod powers on .World. You seem to have forgotten you can't do that on .ml

Harris Doesn’t Support Arms Embargo on Israel, a Top Adviser Says

And of course the new DNC platform matches this

DNC 2024: New Democratic Party platform shuns US arms embargo on Israel

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago

Show me where they support the use of weapons for genocide. It's cool, I can wait.

Oh, you can't because they don't.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The weapons are unconditional. Therefore they are okay for them being used in any way Israeli regime deems fit.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago

That doesn't mean they have stated they support genocidal action.

My kid was going through a bad patch and asked me to hold on to his gun for him. If I had used that to rob a bank, he would not be complicit in bank robbery.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

No, but if you had already robbed a dozen banks and then your kid gave you another gun he would definitely be complicit.

[-] BRINGit34@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 months ago

It's not reasonable to argue with someone without reason. No matter what anyone says it will never change your mind. You are unwilling to call out an administration complicit in genocide. You need to reconsider your morals

[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 months ago

What morals? These crackers don't have morals, they just have desires.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It says it right in the article I linked

Unless you're saying Biden is not sending weapons for Genocide too... Surely you're not a Genocide denier right?

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

Sending weapons != "please use these for genocide". Try again.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

So you're saying you don't believe israel is committing Genocide with American weapons?

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

Israel will commit genocide with or without American weapons. It's what they do.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Israel cannot commit Genocide without American weapons. You were linked an article proving that on r/Politics, surely you read that article.

But even that is entirely irrelevant as the Democrats could be not-complicit in Genocide by not sending weapons to israel. Can you explain why they are sending 2,000 pound bombs to israel?

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

They absolutely can and do.

See their policy of bulldozing the homes of the families of the people who oppose them. No US provided bulldozers necessary.

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/4/24/what-is-israels-bulldozer-strategy-in-the-occupied-west-bank

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm not sure why you keep pivoting to 'they could do it without Democrats'. But at least try not to be wrong in every example you give

The IDF Caterpillar D9 — nicknamed Doobi (Hebrew: דובי, for teddy bear) — is a Caterpillar D9 armored bulldozer used by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). It is supplied by Caterpillar Inc. and modified by the Israel Defense Forces

Whether israel can commit Genocide without American weapons is not relevant to Democrats giving them weapons to commit Genocide with.

If Adolf Hitler could commit Genocide without Krupp manufacturing weapons and Zyklon B it does not make Krupp "not complicit" for doing so. Sending 2000 pound bombs to an active Genocide makes

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Because, Israel is intent on illegally occupying every square inch of Gaza and the West Bank and they don't care how many people they have to kill to seize that territory. US policy has nothing to do with it, they do not care what we think, they're doing it anyway.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

America is proving the weapons and legal cover for israel to do that.

You keep doing that magical leap to somehow the Democrats not being complicit despite them clearly being complicit in the Genocide israel is committing.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

All American administrations do this, it's not "The Democrats".

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Okay good now you've admitted the the entire American administration are complicit in Genocide minus maybe 4 Democrats and Thomas Massie.

Now the question is. what is Leahy Law and why is it not applied to israel yet? Because it sure seems there's a lot of laws preventing sending weapons to a Genocide.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

Because we don't apply laws to Israel. Nobody does. It has to do with Evangelicals and end times bullshittery.

Israel has to exist so Jesus can come back, and all that.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

But wait your argument is that Democrats are not complicit in Genocide.

So the Democrats are not complicit in Genocide because... Jesus has to come back to earth?

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

I'm saying no US politician, for 78 years, will dare go against the Israeli lobby and the Evangelical voting block. It's not about genocide, it never has been. It's about money and power. Always has been.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I’m saying no US politician, for 78 years, will dare go against the Israeli lobby and the Evangelical voting block.

Because few people were willing to withhold their vote for it.

Would be a shame if there were moderators on forums censoring political discussions when people are willing to do so.

Almost like they want to hide the complicity in Genocide because it could stop people voting for their party of preference.

[-] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago

Holy reading comprehension, Batman.

[-] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago

What's your take on this?

And I'm sure you noticed the trump quote in the article:

"From the start, Harris has worked to tie Israel's hand behind its back, demanding an immediate ceasefire, always demanding ceasefire...which would only give Hamas time to regroup and launch a new October 7 style attack."

Thoughts?

And where are you getting $24 billion? I'm only finding $20 Billion when i search. And that's just mentioning a deal involving F15's that won't arrive until 2026. Love to see your source on that.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)
[-] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago

So, your $24 bil is actually $3 bil, but that's not as eye grabbing. Just ignore the delivery date of the vast majority of your claims. Not pushing agenda at all.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

What’s your take on this?

Sounds like he should go to jail maybe you should forward it to the police instead of me.

“From the start, Harris has worked to tie Israel’s hand behind its back, demanding an immediate ceasefire, always demanding ceasefire…which would only give Hamas time to regroup and launch a new October 7 style attack.”

Trump says he was better for the economy and Biden is worse. We all know that's fake but when it's convenient people suddenly start parroting Trumps words as if they mean anything.

Trump calls Biden a ‘bad Palestinian’ in US presidential debate jab

[-] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago

So, no calls of genocide Don? "Huh, will that's interesting." That's it? I thought you were against genocide in the middle east..?

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

If you ignore the last line in my comment you can keep typing trash. Maybe read before that.

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