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Man Arrested for Creating Child Porn Using AI
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An AI that is trained on children and nude adults can infer what a nude child looks like without ever being trained specifically with those images.
Your argument is hypothetical. Real world AI was trained on images of abused childen.
https://cyber.fsi.stanford.edu/news/investigation-finds-ai-image-generation-models-trained-child-abuse
Only because real world AI was trained on the dataset of ALL PUBLIC IMAGES, dumbass
So you're admitting they are correct?
No, I'm admitting they're stupid for even bringing it up.
Unless their argument is that all AI should be illegal, in which case they're stupid in a different way.
Do you think regular child porn should be illegal? If so, why?
Generally it's because kids were harmed in the making of those images. Since we know that AI is using images of children being harmed to make these images, as the other posters has repeatedly sourced (but also if you've looked up deepfakes, most deepfakes are of an existing porn and the face just changed over top. They do this with CP as well and must use CP videos to seed it, because the adult model would be too large)... why does AI get a pass for using children's bodies in this way? Why isn't it immoral when AI is used as a middle man to abuse kids?
As I keep saying, if this is your reasoning then all AI should be illegal. It only has CP in its training set incidentally, because the entire dataset of images on the internet contains some CP. It's not being specifically trained on CP images.
You failed to answer my questions in my previous comment.
Ok, if you insist...yes, CP should be illegal, since a child was harmed in its making. It can get a bit nuanced (for example, I don't like that it can be illegal for underage people to take pictures of their own bodies) but that's the gist of it.
That's not all of the questions I asked
What other questions? Sorry, I missed them.
I already addressed that. If you think all AI should be banned, that's fine. If you think only AI models creating fake CP should be banned, that's logically inconsistent.
You didn't answer that, no
That IS my answer, what the fuck kind of gaslighting shit is this
How does that answer
If you're arguing for all AI to be outlawed, I accept your argument as sound and logical.
Okay, Ill wait for you to answer them
Fuck your gaslighting.
Lol, asking you to answer two questions (which you haven't done, and which we can clearly see in the comment chain have not been directly answered) is hard, I see. Probably because you know the answer to those questions will make you lose this argument.
Nice try attempting to project your own use of gaslighting onto me though.
You claim you answered with:
But that's not what I asked. You failed yet again to answer my questions. Why even type on here if you want to ignore and gaslight everyone? That kinda makes it seem like you personally care about AI CP not being labeled as immoral. Why is that? Gee, so many more questions you won't answer, which kinda shows what your answer and intent are anyway.
Blah blah
Thank you, I accept your loss and that you were disproven.
Yes exactly. That people are then excusing this with "well it was trained on all.public images," are just admitting you're right and that there is a level of harm here since real materials are used. Even if they weren't being used or if it was just a cartoon, the morality is still shaky because of the role porn plays in advertising. We already have laws about advertising because it's so effective, including around cigarettes and prescriptions. Most porn, ESPECIALLY FREE PORN, is an ad to get you to buy other services. CP is not excluded from this rule - no one gets free lunch, so to speak. These materials are made and hosted for a reason.
The role that CP plays in most countries is difficult. It is used for blackmail. It is also used to generate money for countries (intelligence groups around the world host illegal porn ostensibly "to catch a predator," but then why is it morally okay for them to distribute these images but no one else?). And it's used as advertising for actual human trafficking organizations. And similar organizations exist for snuff and gore btw. And ofc animals. And any combination of those 3. Or did you all forget about those monkey torture videos, or the orangutan who was being sex trafficked? Or Daisy's Destruction and Peter Scully?
So it's important to not allow these advertisers to combine their most famous monkey torture video with enough AI that they can say it's AI generated, but it's really just an ad for their monkey torture productions. And even if NONE of the footage was from illegal or similar events and was 100% thought of by AI - it can still be used as an ad for these groups if they host it. Cartoons can be ads ofc.
Jesus Christ take your meds
Sweaty I think you're the one who needs meds if you have to ad hominem valid points instead of actually refuting