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In a 65-foot-deep tunnel in Rafah, hostages found executed by captors
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awful take
gaslighting a Nation into thinking they're at fault for you killing their people is fucking awful
Do you also think that the US is responsible for 9/11?
Or Russia is at fault for the Terror Attack on the Opera recently?
No, trying to twist the truth so that the anti-western side is the good one, trying to defend them, that is the real tankie stance
The US knew that a major attack was being planned by bin laden months before 9/11. Bush, purposefully or ignorantly, ignored or minimized these warnings directly leading to the attack.
There's also the aspect of it where the US funded and trained bin Laden prior to the attack because he was useful to us in the 80's.
And the US warned Russia of the Moscow Attack
Does that mean that the US/Russia is responsible for the Terror attack against them?
Please don't talk around it. "I think that yes/no [because ...]"
Because I think that Terror Attacks are always the fault of the Terrorists killing people
The same way I think that incidents of rape are always the fault of the rapist and never the victim.
Terrorism is politics by other means.
If you deny a people redress of grievances, say by refusing to participate in the international criminal court, you can't be surprised when desperate people act out of desperation.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
I'm not saying that it's right, but it certainly didn't justify the 20 years we spent playing in the desert, nor the genocide Israel is commiting on the Palestinians now.
If you have explicit knowledge that can save peoples lives and you choose not to act on it then yes you're directly responsible for that loss of life.
Pretty sure my take is the opposite.
But yeah if you think that we were blameless on 9/11 disregards the history of US foreign politicy.
And Israel? Pretty sure that the last 70 years of illegal occupation had nothing to do with October 7th, right? Or "self defense" lasting 11 months? Getting pretty close to operation Iraqi Freedom there bud.
Whatever the US may have done does not justify the killing of thousands of civilians. If that was the way the world worked than any civilian deaths the US inflicted after 9/11 are also justified by the same logic.
Rationalizations of terrorist acts is really insane. There's no moral high ground you can gain from this, the best you can accomplish is to say "both sides are bad" which accomplishes nothing.
Far better to denounce terrorism and work to make a distinction between the terrorists and people that have harmed who are not terrorists.
How many millions did we kill in revenge?
Many many times more. An eye for an eye leaves the world blind.
Israel is doing the same thing now. Only not even pretending to rebuild a nation.
This is where "But yeah if you think those countries weren't entirely blameless disregards these country's support of terrorism"
I won't though, because unlike you I don't think there's any valid rationalization for deliberately targeting civilians. That would just be me lowering myself to the level you lowered yourself to by rationalizing the targeting of civilians.
But you don't really have any kind of argument against killing civilians because you've already suggested that it's acceptable to do so.
Why don't you apply this to 9/11 and October 7? What al Qaeda and Hamas did are an "eye for an eye" mentality aren't they? Why not just do the sensible thing and denounce these "eye for an eye" actions as inexcusable?
So you're saying that genocide is okay if you agree with it? TANKIE DETECTED.