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Why is someone's reluctance to vote for your preferred candidate more upsetting to you than said candidate's choice to platform genocide?
And why's that on us? Why is it our job to toe a party line when said line means killing people en masse?
It's supposed to be their job to represent us, not our job to kiss their asses. Stop letting the DNC use Trump as an excuse to do whatever they want; if they want to be more electable, maybe it's on them to adopt a better platform.
It is on the DNC to have better policy, but with th democrats thete is actually a chance of better policy. At least there is the Sanders wing of the party pushing for a ceasefire. What I dont think people realize voting for a third party will not only keep the genocide going but also install the violent authoritarian Republican party for life, basically. Good luck getting a Trump government to reverse course on anything, let alone cracking down on whats happening in Gaza.
Republicans are typically even more hawkish and pro Israel, not to mention their mass deportation policies and history of islamaphobic policy (worse under Trump. The guy who wants to ban muslims from enterting the country and wants to deport millions, anyone he deems undesireable.)
Trust me, I'm well aware of literally everything you've just said. I get told it on almost every comment I make here, and every time people make the same two big mistakes:
Limiting their thinking to votes.
Refusing to push Democrats left, because they're scared it might hurt Harris' election chances.[^1]
I am pushing against #2 in this thread first and foremost, and getting #1 out of your response as a result. Please, understand that I know that Democrats are better than Trump. Everybody knows that, and if you think I want people to vote against Harris you are misunderstanding me entirely.
I do not want anyone to vote for Trump, vote third party, or abstain. What I want is for them to understand that voting is the minimum they can do, and that they can and should protest the current and future admin's policies regarding Israel until they stop enabling genocide, regardless of the color of the tie they wear.
If we let Democrats scare us with Trump or someone like him every year, nothing will change.
[^1]: Worse yet, some folks actively put down people who do try to push the Dems left for this very reason, which is outright counterproductive.
Any other year, with any other opposition candidate, I'd be right there calling for a cease fire if they want my vote. Please say it with me...
THIS IS NOT THE YEAR FOR A FUCKING PROTEST VOTE!!
Vote blue, hold the administration accountable, and vote again in 2 and 4 years. Protest vote and then bitch about the suffering for the rest of your life, however short it becomes under a second tRump admin.
What year is? Every year we are pushed further right. If genocide isn't a red line for you, then what is?
It's definitely a "red line", but I work in a field that requires me to think about things long-term. To me, the genocide shit is bad and I am 100% behind Bibi and his administration being tried and hung for their atrocities. However, I also know it can get a whole lot worse for Palestinians, and the world was a whole, if anyone but a Democrat wins in November.
Sure, we keep sliding to the right. But at least with Harris in office, we stand a chance of reversing a further slide. Without, we are sure to continue the slide at an even faster rate.
Look past the shortsightedness of those that seek to distract you and try to see the bigger picture. We can't do anything about the shit going on now if we don't have a future.
Did you read my comment? Here, I'll help you.
Read that paragraph, then try again. Maybe with less antagonism, yeah?
OK I just won't vote at all then 🤷
Aaron Bushnell isn't voting this year and I dare them to accuse him of helping Trump.
Yes exactly this!
Right, because this supposed pushing of Biden worked so terribly well.