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[-] spidermanchild@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

Americans don't have the choice not to buy gigantic pickup trucks and SUVs? Gimme a break. I have never bought one, it's not some kind of one weird trick thing, you just literally don't fucking buy them and buy something smaller and cheaper instead.

[-] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 month ago

Half the major auto manufacturers DONT MAKE ANYTHING SMALLER. Ford discontinued every model of sedan.

And that's not getting into the whole "a brand new car starts at almost 30K on the low end" affordability issue.

[-] Glemek@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I wish there was something like a kei truck available in the US with some modern crash safety features, and maybe a plug-in hybrid option.

[-] spidermanchild@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

There's a world of difference in pedestrian safety between a RAV4 and a Suburban or F150. Just because they call an e.g. CX30 a crossover doesn't mean it's as dangerous as a full size pickup truck. Your affordability argument doesn't even make any sense - smaller vehicles are cheaper than larger vehicles. If affordability is such an issue why don't we see more crosstreks? The mental gymnastics to avoid blaming a bunch of fragile dudes for buying ridiculously pickup trucks is absurd.

[-] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It doesn't matter if one is more affordable than the other if NEITHER IS AFFORDABLE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Double minimum wage (pre-tax, pre-bills) as a starting basic car price, is not affordable (No, i do not consider needing an auto loan "affordable".).

A RAV4 is still a blunt-ended higher-sitting vehicle that puts pedestrians under a car rather than up and over like a sedan.

[-] spidermanchild@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

You're right, 50k is the same as 30k, a 5ft tall hood is the same as 2.5ft, 40 mpg is the same as 20 mpg, and getting hit by a pickup is the same as a crosstrek. Look I ride a cargo bike most of the time and am very much fuckcars, but pretending like every since vehicle that isn't a sedan is equally dangerous and polluting isn't helpful.

[-] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Get a ford focus. Or, gasp a Toyota.

But don't give me that argument, because it's 100% bullshit.

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

I live in a red, suburban county. Almost every house in my neighborhood has a big ass pickup sitting in the driveway (because it won't fit in the garage). Most of these dudes drive their giant pickups to work in an office building.

I asked one of them - an engineer - about it once. He said he works in an office but has to drive to job sites every once in a while, so he drives a truck. Keep in mind the dude does not do any manual labor on those job sites. But the people working there do - and he doesn't want to feel left out.

I'd estimate that well over half the big ass trucks in America are driven by guys who want to fit it, but don't actually need them. They'd be much better off driving something like a Nissan Leaf, but don't want to get made fun of.

[-] spidermanchild@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

So you're saying that millions of fragile men are bullied into buying full size trucks and they have no agency whatsoever into their purchase? This is no different than exposing your kids to second hands smoke because you are afraid if you don't smoke you won't look cool. I seriously don't understand why we're making excuses and coddling these weak egos instead of actually supporting the victims of the violence these people inflict on other road users. I'm more than happy to criticize the regulatory bodies and the manufacturers for failing society as well, but that doesn't mean the purchasers that make this all possible are innocent. It's a rotten subculture that needs to be called out at all levels.

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