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Israel says ‘highly likely’ its troops killed Turkish-American activist
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First they came for the Palestinians and I said nothing, because I didn't want to ruin anyone's electoral chances.
First of all its ghoulishly disingenuous for you to conflate providing arms. Which is wrong I'm not justifying that. To actually killing people. That's straight up empty virtue signaling and not solving or convincing anyone of anything.
I asked who stands a chance. And you quoted it without even answering it. Useless. Right now the only viable option other than R or D in the presidential campaign is a widespread general uprising. Which I'm all for. If you got one let's go kiddo. But I got news for you. If you don't. What you're doing is empty virtue signaling that only helps the worst people around. And makes enemies of possible allies. Which is how I know your words are empty.
It is ghoulishly disingenuous to suggest that a nation making their 500th shipment of child-exploding munitions to a genocidal warlord is somehow less culpable.
Biden is like a negligent parent, letting his mentally disturbed 14-year-old have access to the family assault rifle. Maybe after the first shooting he could havd a credible defense. But by now Netanyahu is on his 2000th school shooting, and Biden is still providing weapons.
Biden might as well be shooting those Palestinian children himself, the blood is on his hands.
No it isn't. I'm not saying it's right. I'll criticize it all the time. American companies like IBM and Dow Chemical helped facilitate the Nazis genocide. They were not charged for murder or treated as murderers. Despite knowing exactly what their products were being used for. And the fact that please uses would generally not be considered Justified or acceptable. Only profitable. Sending arms to Israel right now especially is a horrible idea they're current leadership are genocytomaniacs. But there is legitimate reason to arm Israel historically speaking I'm not saying that I agree with it. But just saying that there is some acceptability even so the situation is very different on many fronts.
That's doesn't rebut anything I said. But it is what I expect from leninists. Especially someone who would proudly associate with a monster-like Stalin. A wall of text that has nothing to do with anything.
I did accidentally respond to the wrong comment. It was in response to when you said:
This is not analogous to a murder case. When it comes to International and US Law, the US is complicit in the genocide because we are actively providing the arms being used for said genocide.
Also, I'm not a leninist nor a stalinist.
I'm a leftist and I'm very anti-authoritian. I even explicitly state that in my profile. The name is just an edgy pun.
Perhaps this is the crux of our disagreement, because I think it is obvious that IBM, Dow, et al. should have been prosecuted for their role in the holocaust.
Our modern would would be much better off if these evil companies had faced justice, instead of allowing them to normalize their inhumanity.
Sadly our ancestors did not eradicate fascism, they just postponed it. We should learn from their weakness and their mistakes as we wage our modern fight against fascism.
They should have been prosecuted at the very least. Realistically capitalism should be rained in as a whole. Because it is their duty to do such things in similar cases. But there is a difference. But that doesn't change facts. They didn't commit genocide. They enabled it. Which is bad and a crime unto itself. But it's different which is why we tack The extra word onto it. So no our disagreement comes from the fact that so many people want to imply that aiding and abetting or enabling genocide is the exact same thing as having done it yourself. It's not and never has been and never will be.
I think you're splitting hairs here.
The difference between "aiding and abetting" and "comitting" are vanishingly small. Both crimes deserve the most severe condemnation, both crimes deserve the most severe punishment.
Hey that's your opinion and your welcome to it. It's not supported by facts evidence or reality. But that's never stopped anyone.
Inevitably. Every single time with people like you this is always what it comes down to. Not a genuine discussion or anything even resembling. Someone agrees with you 99%. But they don't grind the same pet axe that you grind. Or feel the same need to misrepresent facts as you do. All of a sudden you feel this deep urge. A need to tell someone whose Family actually survived genocide at the hands of the United States what genocide is. What I said was not to defend the United states. It was to not downplay what genocide is. The United States plenty guilty of genocide elsewhere. They're not committing genocide in this case they are enabling it. And that's horrible wrong should be charged prosecuted etc etc etc etc etc. It's not genocide.
You do know that if you provide a weapon with the knowledge that the person will use it to kill someone, you can get convicted for being an accessory to that murder, which entails the same criminal punishment?
So for normal crime it is absolutely considered to be on the same level
Yes but accessory to murder is different. That's why it's called accessory to murder. IBM and Dow Chemical supplied Nazi Germany knowing full well exactly what Germany was going to use their products for. They weren't charged with murder. Unfortunately they weren't even charged with accessory to murder. They should have been charged with something.
They're actually are legitimate reasons to send arms to israel. The problem is that while those legitimate reasons do exist. The fact that the current leadership especially. But pretty much all leadership of Israel has been bigoted and genocidal it conflicts heavily. But again it isn't some black and white situation as people want to make it out to be. I wish it were.
The people who collect the most corporate PAC money, obviously. So these are the only people it is reasonable to support.
False. PAC money can't overcome first past the post and the Electoral college. Even if we gave a third party candidate 100% of the pack money. They wouldn't win. Because of how the system works.
Parties have changed in the past. It's not impossible. We used to have a Whig party, for example.
But there have always largely been two main parties. The system of the Electoral College and first pass the post have always seen to that. The names change. But the internals look a lot more I like them people would like to admit.