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Israel says ‘highly likely’ its troops killed Turkish-American activist
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They will not exist so long as you vote for "lesser evil" genociders. Why would there be? You still vote for them! They don't need to listen to you at all and will gladly continue the project that is in their overall material interest in supporting Israel. You show up in their databases as, "Likely Democratic voter" and so they send some volunteers to try to get you to vote and they ask you for money. That is how you are thought of, and I mean this literally. That is how they curate and use their information. The rest is PR for how to ensure you don't take these looney anti-genociders too seriously.
There is no "push from there" without leverage. If they don't do what you want, what are you going to do? With what power? If you mske a threat, why is it credible? We are kept docile and ineffective through electoral illogic that serves the interests of the existing political class and cannot imagine gaining or wielding power in any practical way.
I'll tell you same as I told them. Unless you have a populist General uprising in your pocket. Then your rhetoric is empty. I'm 100% ready for a popular general non-leninist uprising. Let's go. But I don't have time or bandwidth for empty holier than thou virtue signaling. I actually want things to not get worse and possibly even make them better. Not enable the worst people among us.
Due to the very real and observable ratchet effect, the outcome of your strategy is that things actually get worse… just slightly slower than they otherwise would. Voting for the “lesser of two evils” will never, ever make things better. You need to take a risk and vote for a non-evil to even have a shot at making things actually better.
I disagree. I'm not going to say the ratchet effect doesn't exist. But I'm going to say that it's not a major impactor. If you've been alive over the last near 50 years and I have. You will have noticed a lot of change that didn't come about due to the ratchet effect. And a lot of it dies back specifically to that fascist Reagan. His election and time in office absolutely put the Democratic Party in heavy disarray. To the point where honestly even today their still trying to figure out what works.
And something to remember ratchets can go both ways. I think it's been so long since people really remember being united voting for democrats. And especially with the Advent of social media and the internet it's become far more easier to divide the left than ever. And we already self-divided considerably before. But if we actually had some solidarity we could flick the switch and Ratchet back the other way.
How can you have been alive that long and not noticed the ratchet effect? It specifically increased with Reagan, who put in a bunch of neoliberal policies that Democrats still haven't rolled back all these years later.
And unfortunately the ratchet can't go the other way because it's not in the material interest of the higher up Democrats to help regular people. That media that divides people is done on purpose by the exact same interests that own our politicians.
So, the new deal etc didn't happen. Gotcha.
It can and does happen. But unfortunately it's very slow moving. Creeping over generations. Which makes it nearly impossible to see by many. Especially younger people who've only known the current situation. The last Peak being back in the silent generation's lifetime. It happens and we have made progress and will make progress. Especially if we can stop finding scapegoats to blame for why things won't work. And start working together again showing solidarity like they did back then
Not here to shit on your opinions, but populist upswell is what gave us the 2016 results. It just happened to be right wing populism.
And if you mean a more spicy uprising, well that'll both make things worse and enable the worst amomg us.
Populist doesn't mean bad. But you are correct that it can go both ways. But that is also specifically why I specified non-leninist. Though maybe I should have also specified non-fascist as well. They're both two sides of the same coin.
But no. As you put it I was talking the "non spicy" kind generally.
Being "ready" means nothing, it is just a thought in your head. Praxis requires that you act. You aren't ready for an uprising if you aren't actually organizing towards one yourself. And I have yet to meet a successful revolutionary organizer that tries to sheepdog for literally genocidal Democrats.
I haven't advocated for "doing nothing", I have advocated against supporting genocide from both a moralizing and electorally strategic angle. I choose these angles because it is the language most people will understand and because the propaganda that I oppose in the process teaches people to give up leverage and cheerlead, which is literally disempowering.
If people want recommendations on something positive to do, I would recommend joining the Uncommitted Movement if you prefer electoralism. If you are interested in politics that also extends beyond electoralism, I would be happy to provide advice on any local groups and reading materials.