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Who is telling you things?
And why do you keep listening to them?
And yes, when we run a progressive campaign, we lose a very very tiny amount of "moderates" the "Puma" Clinton supporters from 08.
But we more than make up for them by gaining nonvoters, and yes, even Republicans will cross to vote for a progressive.
All the more reason to stop moving to the right when shown over and over again that's a bad move for getting votes.
It's just what donors want.
We've come full circle, I truly hope this helped you
During the 2008 presidential campaign, Barack Obama publicly opposed same-sex marriage, advocating instead for civil unions that would provide similar legal rights to marriage. This stance was largely seen as a political decision influenced by the prevailing social and religious sentiments at the time, particularly within the black church community, which held significant opposition to gay marriage[1][3][4].
Obama's position on same-sex marriage during the campaign was consistent with his statements at events like the Saddleback Presidential Forum, where he described marriage as a "sacred union" between a man and a woman[2][7]. Despite his public opposition, it was later revealed by David Axelrod, his former political strategist, that Obama privately supported same-sex marriage but chose not to express this publicly due to political considerations[1][4].
Obama's stance began to evolve publicly after his election, culminating in his endorsement of same-sex marriage in 2012, following Vice President Joe Biden's public support for it[3].
Citations: [1] Axelrod: Obama opposed gay marriage for politics - The Hill https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/232272-axelrod-obama-opposed-gay-marriage-for-politics/ [2] See Obama's 20-Year Evolution on LGBT Rights | TIME https://time.com/3816952/obama-gay-lesbian-transgender-lgbt-rights/ [3] Obama: I didn't lie about same-sex marriage - POLITICO https://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/barack-obama-gay-marriage-david-axelrod-115107 [4] David Axelrod: Barack Obama Misled Nation On Gay Marriage In 2008 https://time.com/3702584/gay-marriage-axelrod-obama/ [5] Barack Obama 2008 presidential campaign - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_2008_presidential_campaign [6] FACT SHEET: Obama Administration's Record and the LGBT ... https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2016/06/09/fact-sheet-obama-administrations-record-and-lgbt-community [7] Campaign Issues and Candidate Positions https://www.icpsr.umich.edu/web/pages/instructors/setups2008/campaign-issues.html [8] Barack Obama: Campaigns and Elections | Miller Center https://millercenter.org/president/obama/campaigns-and-elections
So you think incremental progress is the opposite of progress?
That's like saying Obamacare makes him anti-M4A...
But thanks for explaining why you believe that, I genuinely couldn't even come up with a guess.
You went from Obama won because of his strong left-wing appeal to Obama won because of incremental progress after getting his stance on gay marriage in 08 wrong.
While you're moving your goal posts, please consider that Kamala is also doing the whole incremental progress thing.
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Nope.
He's the most progressive campaign in modern history, but really wasn't that progressive...
That's the point. We dont need "extreme leftists" to turn out voters and flip red states.
We just need better than Biden/Hillary.
Kamala is better than those two, but she's also pro-fracking, wants a border wall, and lots of other shit the Dem.voter base doesn't fucking want.
How many fracking jobs are in Pennsylvania and how important is Pennsylvania to win the election?
So years ago when she sided with republicans and cast the tiebreaking vote against a fracking ban....
She was planning to run as president and need Pennsylvania?
Or are you just trying to rationalize her behavior after the fact instead of actually learning what really happened?
Harris, who ran for President in 2020 — and is in the upper echelon of the DNC, voted in favour of fracking in Biden's IRA bill because she:
A) Was planning on running for President again and needs Pennsylvania
And
B) Wants democrats in Senate and Congressional races to win in Pennsylvania so her party can hold power in those chambers.
There is nothing about her behaviour that needs rationalizing. Every stance she has compromised on is in service of getting elected and maintaining the power bases that she needs to hold onto power.