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Linus Torvalds Speaks on the the divide between Rust and C Linux developers an the future Linux. Will things like fragmentation among the open source community hurt the Linux Kernel? We'll listen to the Creator of Linux.

For the full key note, checkout: Keynote: Linus Torvalds in Conversation with Dirk Hohndel

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[-] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 19 points 1 day ago

Rust is harder to write but infinitely safer, and equivalent in speed.

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 20 points 23 hours ago

It's harder to write because it forces you to be careful.

[-] nous@programming.dev 9 points 14 hours ago

C is easier to get a program to compile. Rust is easier to get a program working correctly.

[-] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 4 points 16 hours ago

And because it looks like C, JavaScript, Bash and a few others all mixed up together.

I've heard Rust described as “Rust is what you get when you put all the good features of other programming languages together. You can't read it, but it's freaking fast!”

[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 points 8 hours ago

why does it look like bash?

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 15 points 22 hours ago

It forces you to be careful in the way it wants you to be careful. Which is fine, but it makes it a strange beastie for anyone not used to it.

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 8 points 22 hours ago

Yes

But the trade off is well worth it.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 3 points 18 hours ago

It can be, sure. I prefer garbage collectors but I'm not doing systems programming.

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 7 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I feel like a garbage collector would be too much a performance hit for kernel stuff.

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

2 things:

  1. It's more the determinacy, a GC randomly fires up and your systems stops for some long amount of time. There are pauseless GCs but that's a different nightmare.

  2. The kernel has things similar to GCs. They're used for more specialized tasks, and some (like rcu) are absolute nightmares that have take decades to get working.

[-] PushButton@lemmy.world 0 points 21 hours ago

it's more "it forces you to make it burrow checker friendly".

A burrow checker is not the only mechanism to write safe code. All the mess of Rust is all because this is the strategy they adopted.

And this strategy, like everything in this world, has trade offs. It just happens that there are a lot, like, - a lot -, of trade offs, and those are insufferable when it comes to Rust...

[-] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 4 points 16 hours ago
[-] qaz@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Gotta watch out for those rabbits messing with your kernel

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