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[-] MrMcGasion@lemmy.world 40 points 12 hours ago

Not to be pedantic, but wouldn't making an endorsement make them no longer "Uncommitted"? Yes, Harris could and should be better on the genocide happening in Gaza, but "Uncommitted voters still uncommitted after not meeting with candidate" also isn't much of a story.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago

It's a pretty massive story considering that the uncommitted movement, which did the most to unseat Biden, wasn't given a voice at the convention.

If not for uncommitted, Democrats would have lost this long ago.

So to not come to the table, Harris waves the right to disavow knowing the consequences of ignoring the only movement in the US not interested the genocide of the Palestinian people (to be clear, the Democrats are an objectively pro genocide party, with minority elements of dissent).

So it's Harris's votes to lose. Its not like they are going to Trump, but it's an easy 0.5-1.5% of the electorate that she's leaving on the table.

This is just the same vibe-based reasoning but with sprinkles.

Firstly, was Biden unseated because of uncommitted? Or was he unseated because Democrat donors saw his poor performance during the debate and withdrew their support? Just because uncommitted exists, does not mean that they were effective.

Secondly, surely there's a non-zero number of people who support arming Israel. I freely admit that I haven't been following this conflict, but it doesn't seem much of an assumption to say that some votes would be lost if Kamala withdrew support for Israel. Would she lose more votes than she would gain? That certainly seems like a possibility.

Thirdly, withholding your vote, and convincing others to withhold theirs, is precisely what Russian and Chinese bot-farms want you to do. Well done.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -4 points 4 hours ago

Vibe based is you kiddo. All the actual data we have our hands on supports my way of thinking. It was in the polling for literally months, but weevil brained blue maga couldn't get it through their thick skulls. People were getting banned left right and center here, on lemmy., for expressing the very real observation that Biden was going to lose this election.

Also:

I freely admit I haven't been following this conflict

Then why the fuck is your mouth open?

[-] voracitude@lemmy.world 1 points 57 minutes ago

Then why the fuck is your mouth open?

Well, since we're being dicks about it: Provide the actual data, then, or get the fuck out. We're not interested in your interpretation, we have no idea who you are and less than no reason to trust you.

No, all the data says I'm right. We have all the best people working on it. They're saying it's all the best numbers.

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